Why can't Christians accept the fact that Hitler was a Christian

[Mister Agenda]

From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump, as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today.--Adolph Hitler

Adolph Hitler, arguing micro- but not macroevolution exists before it was cool

[Brian37]

From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump, as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today.--Adolph Hitler

Adolph Hitler, arguing micro- but not macroevolution exists before it was cool

And he was a fucktard monster and I am glad the coward killed himself.

[Huggy Bear]

No on asked where you were, Waldo.   Are you christ-like?  If not, according to you, you're not a christian.  OTOH, I think that anyone willing to consider themselves christ-like pretty much rules themselves out as a good christian by default.

/shrugs

First of all the only one in the position to judge who is or isn't like Christ is God.

In order to be like Christ, you must have the spirit of Christ (Holy Spirit) in you, and if the Holy Spirit is in you then it doesn't matter what anyone else sees, God only sees Christ... Got it?

The second point I'll make is that just because a person doesn't have the holy spirit doesn't mean they can't make it into heaven. In the parable of the 10 virgins, the 5 wise virgins had oil in their lamps and the 5 foolish virgins did not, the oil represents the Holy Spirit. The foolish virgin are good church going people, hence why they are virgins, they just never received the holy spirit and will be left out of the rapture. They will have to go through the tribulation period.

There were a couple of old testament examples that Jesus referred to, the days of Noah, and the days of Lot.

Using the example of Lot, we have two characters, Abraham and Lot.

Abraham represented the elect/predestinated (those that are Christ-like), and Lot represented your nominal Christian (Christian by name only). When the time came for Abraham and Lot to separate, Lot chose to live in the city of Sodom (which represents the world).

Christians are called to be separate from the world and not partake in its sin. Abraham was never in Sodom, he was chilling in the tent with God. Lot, however, escaped Sodom by the skin of his teeth. (I will go more into this in detail in an original post in which I submit my evidence).

In the example of Noah, Jesus was explaining to the Jews of the 8 souls being saved from the flood. In this case, He was speaking to the Jews who are protected during the tribulation period. The same way the ark protected Noah and his family. The foolish virgin have no such protection and are martyred during the tribulation period. There was a man named Enoch, however, who was taken off the earth before the flood, he was the example of the elect who are taken up in the rapture.

The book of Revelation states exactly how many Jews come through the tribulation period, which is 144,000. So, that means if they are the example of the 8 that came through the ark, then those that go in the rapture would be 8 times less than that - which would be approximately 18,000 worldwide.

If the estimated Christian population is 2.2 billion, we are looking at around 18,000 "true Christians".

[Ravenshire]

bold green mine

Thanks.

FROM = Geographically

BELONGING TO = Profession.

Romans 8
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

*emphasis mine*
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/image
image
A person or thing that closely resembles another.
‘he's the image of his father’

Semblance or likeness.
‘made in the image of God’

Therefore 'Christian' means to be like Christ...

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These people in question who say they are christians, but that you profess are not christians, are then considered liars/false?

Or are they just really bad at being christian? 

If liars, I'm gonna have to give different consideration to the Pew research numbers. Huggy, can you give me some idea/percent of how many out there are false christians?

Are they the image of Christ? if not they aren't Christian, its that simple.

The false christian are the majority.

Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Did not 2 million Hebrews leave Egypt yet only 2 out of the 2 million entered the promised land?

Your ability to duck, dodge and twist while simultaneously cherry-picking is truly amazing.

[The Grand Nudger]

First of all the only one in the position to judge who is or isn't like Christ is God.

In order to be like Christ, you must have the spirit of Christ (Holy Spirit) in you, and if the Holy Spirit is in you then it doesn't matter what anyone else sees, God only sees Christ... Got it?

In the immortal words of The Prophet, Quan:

All of my luggage is Louie V, I swear to God nigga
All of my bitches be scared of me, I put that rod in 'em
All of them bitches actin' thotties, I disregard them
All them bitches actin' holy, ain't got no God in 'em

The second point I'll make is that just because a person doesn't have the holy spirit doesn't mean they can't make it into heaven. In the parable of the 10 virgins, the 5 wise virgins had oil in their lamps and the 5 foolish virgins did not, the oil represents the Holy Spirit. The foolish virgin are good church going people, hence why they are virgins, they just never received the holy spirit and will be left out of the rapture. They will have to go through the tribulation period.

There were a couple of old testament examples that Jesus referred to, the days of Noah, and the days of Lot.

Using the example of Lot, we have two characters, Abraham and Lot.

Abraham represented the elect/predestinated (those that are Christ-like), and Lot represented your nominal Christian (Christian by name only). When the time came for Abraham and Lot to separate, Lot chose to live in the city of Sodom (which represents the world).

Christians are called to be separate from the world and not partake in its sin. Abraham was never in Sodom, he was chilling in the tent with God. Lot, however, escaped Sodom by the skin of his teeth. (I will go more into this in detail in an original post in which I submit my evidence).

In the example of Noah, Jesus was explaining to the Jews of the 8 souls being saved from the flood. In this case, He was speaking to the Jews who are protected during the tribulation period. The same way the ark protected Noah and his family. The foolish virgin have no such protection and are martyred during the tribulation period. There was a man named Enoch, however, who was taken off the earth before the flood, he was the example of the elect who are taken up in the rapture.

The book of Revelation states exactly how many Jews come through the tribulation period, which is 144,000. So, that means if they are the example of the 8 that came through the ark, then those that go in the rapture would be 8 times less than that - which would be approximately 18,000 worldwide.

If the estimated Christian population is 2.2 billion, we are looking at around 18,000 "true Christians".

That's a hell of a long winded way to say "No, Khem...I'm not a true christian by my own standards."  Not sure why you felt the need to refer to numerology on that one.

[hopey]

SECULAR HISTORIANS, not christians, all agree Hitler was not a Christian, that he seems to have used it for advantage. I quote for a secular source:

historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann contained within Hitler's Table Talk.[6] Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[7] Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long-term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany,[8] while others maintain that there is insufficient evidence for such a plan.[9]
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Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[paulpablo]

Well then this shows Hitler did have an interest in Darwin.  He might not have come to scientifically correct conclusions or morally right decisions but he seems to have shown interest in Darwin and the theory of evolution.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Hitler was as much a believer in evolutionary theory as our snowtracks.

I didn't know Hitler made that comment expressing doubt about the evolution of man, while that has changed my mind/burst my bubble, those quotes are from Mein Kampft.

Which means they're still reliant on determining the private beliefs of Hitler based on writings that were specifically meant for his followers to read, as opposed to private conversation or a diary.

Also they're published in 1925, Hitler died in 1945.  Which is a 20 year gap, and to put that in perspective with my own life, if I died tomorrow I'd hate it if people used what I said even 10 years ago as proof of what I believed.

Aside from those objections I agree the quotes from Mien Kampft do seem to put Hitler in a similar position to a creationist.

[Amarok]

SECULAR HISTORIANS, not christians, all agree Hitler was not a Christian, that he seems to have used it for advantage. I quote for a secular source:

historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann contained within Hitler's Table Talk.[6] Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[7] Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long-term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany,[8] while others maintain that there is insufficient evidence for such a plan.[9]

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hitler's table talk is a fraudulent book that used mistranslation and took quotes out of context and engaged in direct quote mining . Goebbels was a noted liar and much of his writing is suspect to real events. If this what there relying on then there poor historians

[Drich]

Not saying you are wrong, bout the political stuff.. But if you read trump's book one of the men in whom he holds in having the greatest impact on his life (Taught Him/important to "win") It was his first priest. Stayed in contact with him and took care of him till the old man died.

So? That priest had little to nothing to do with why he is a fucking dick now.

Goal posts anyone? The argument made was to Trump's religious views. All I was point out at one point in his life he was very religious to come so close to have a priest as a mentor. I had a mentor priest and let me tell you there's not a whole lot beside religion we spoke about.

His daddy bullied Trump growing up. Trump desperately wanted to please his daddy so in turn Trump bullied others the way his dad bullied him., And while that made him successful it was not in a good way or moral way, he turned around and bullied lots of people and used courts and lawyers as a heat shield. Trump DOES NOT know or doesn't care about the difference between legal and moral. 

Or maybe like the rest of America (The America who voted Him in) Trump simply does not care about your snow flake version of morality.

There are also liberal celebrities and musicians and business people and politicians that can also point to a holy person they thought was influential. That doesn't prove any god real. People with other religions also point to their holy people too.

What the ff's are you talking about I was speaking or adding to what Paul paublo said, which was in response to Huggy's "two Corinthians" thing. Meaning trump is using religion to advance his political career as Hitler did. I pointed out trump at one time was very religious because of his choice and care taking of his preist mentor.

Plus now that I think about it when ever trump was in Orlando he's go see a lady minister in the little town of Apopka. She is/was idk her current status his Goto Preacher. I think she was apart of the inauguration even..

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Not saying you are wrong, bout the political stuff.. But if you read trump's book one of the men in whom he holds in having the greatest impact on his life (Taught Him/important to "win") It was his first priest. Stayed in contact with him and took care of him till the old man died.

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Then please.. explain when on becomes a Christian?

When you say "that sounds nice".  No thought in that. If you want to believe anything badly enough you will. Someone sold you something and you never considered the necessity of quality control of comparing and independent peer review. Humans peddle all sorts of bad claims and they can make their sales pitches in very elaborate ways. You simply fell for it.

That's the thing I guess. I don't need my friends approval to set and or determine what it is I think. I am able to Discern truth on my own. The only time I look to other is when the subject matter takes specialized understanding.. Here's the thing you 'intelects' have missed. God is not found in a degree, or a specialized place. He is found in plain sight when one has humility and a willingness to meet Him on His terms.

If you found God in plain sight, and He responded to you, would you then truly need a group of peers to tell you if it was or was not God you met?

FYI nobody "becomes" anything.

That's not true. I became a husband on 3-15-03 We are all humans from the day we are born to the day we die. You only adapt a position or leave a position. I didn't "become" an atheist. My light switch is still a light switch, the only thing that changed was I left "on" for "off". 

When did you "become" a non Muslim? Still make sense?

after years of intense study

When did you "become" a non Hindu? Still make sense?

I never considered Hinduism as I've never took it seriously enough to study.

When did you "become" a non Jew? Still make sense?

When I figured out that Judaism in it's original form is a dead religion.

When did you "become" a non Buddhist? Still make sense?

when it was forbidden in the household.

It does make sense because apart for the jonny go lightlys in life some of use do consider things outside of the culture we were born in. for those who do so stake a claim to not being apart or not accept a religion after being courted by it.

Your little demonstration only makes sense to those in whom have never made a conscious effort to be anything they weren't born into.

When you are a 1/2 breed you don't automatically get a heritage or culture to draw from. you have to earn or "BECOME" who you are. Infect most of you also do this even if it is to a lessor degree meaning you hug one side of your culture more than you do the other.

No, you were likely raised and sold a the religious belief as a kid,

if that were true then I would be a Buddhist.

or you adapted your position but you didn't "become" anything.

again not true. I studied many disciplines and choose the one that I found to contain truth.

It isn't like your body literally goes from being a human to "becoming" a salamander. NO magic involved.

why aren't mental transformation apart of your considerations?

I was sold religion when I was a kid, when I didn't have adult critical thinking skills. When I started questioning that built up over time till my position changed.

I too was sold a religion and my position changed as I grew older. However I found God, even though I started out looking for just an idea of God.

Now just because your inclinations put you on a path where you will never see God, Does it mean everything I know to be true is a lie?

[Amarok]

SECULAR HISTORIANS, not christians, all agree Hitler was not a Christian, that he seems to have used it for advantage. I quote for a secular source:

historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann contained within Hitler's Table Talk.[6] Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[7] Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long-term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany,[8] while others maintain that there is insufficient evidence for such a plan.[9]

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hitler's table talk is a fraudulent book that used mistranslation and took quotes out of context and engaged in direct quote mining . Goebbels was a noted liar and much of his writing is suspect to real events. If this what there relying on then there poor historians

As noted of TT

https://ffrf.org/legacy/fttoday/2002/nov02/carrier.php

and a more updated version of criticism  of TT

http://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/10978