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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 10:38 pm
(June 27, 2017 at 5:30 pm)Cyberman Wrote: (June 27, 2017 at 4:52 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I thank you for actually asking a question instead of telling me I"m wrong.
God's loves everyone and that love is the same, this is the simple answer. God's love is a love beyond our understand, after all He is an Omniscient being. His love is unconditional, it couldn't be otherwise or He would be playing favorites and we would be battling each other like children do to be like more than others. Life isn't a game with God it is serious, He alone knows the results of our choices and only wants the best for each of us.
If you're thinking about trying to us Pharaoh or some other biblical character where God intervened in their life and condemned them understand I addressed that above wiyh the underlined words.
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Thank you for the honest answer. No, I wasn't going to bring up the Pharaoh of the mythology (why is that always used as a proper noun, by the way, instead of the honorific? Whenever we talk about Trump or whoever is the incumbent du jour, we don't say "hey, guess what President did today").
Okay, "God's" love is unconditional. Cool. Is there any circumstance in which that unconditionality (ack!) is ever revoked? What I'm asking is does "God" love each of us unconditionally no matter what?
I guess because it's used as a proper noun in the Bible. As for God's love yes. As I said before if it was conditional God would have people vying for His love meaning works instead of grace.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 10:52 pm
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-and boy, that would have been -terrible-. Imagine, all of those people trying to do really nice stuff, trying to outnice each other in the sight of god.
Good thing he went with "grace" instead. Phew, dodged a real bullet on that one.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 11:24 pm
(June 27, 2017 at 4:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (June 27, 2017 at 4:30 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
Quote:I agree that was his intention, however those who believe in the Bible being actual truth doesn't hinder me or anyone who studies the Bible to understand it's literal truths. Literalist can actually use the Bible to distort it's truths because not all verses are meant to be literal and some have twofold meanings. By the way I do not spout falsely about the scriptures, if I have an opinion on what the Bible could be saying on a subject I say so. My faith doesn't conflict with reality, in actuality it is reality, those who tyr to manipulate the Bible are the ones moving away from God's reality and in the end it's His that counts.
Yeah, I know that you believe that your faith doesn;t conflict with reality..but..... I've also heard you describe a great deal of your faith...so I know that's not, actually, true, lol.
Examples please, throwing out nondescript ideas doesn't work.
Quote:No, He reveals the truth, it's you who wants to distort things to suit your own beliefs. I have no desire to distort the word of God i seek it's truth as God would have me to. You didn't even try to answer the questions posed, so your name change has not help you. Why do you refuse to answer question, do you find that traipsing around them secures your position before your fellow atheist.
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Khemikla Wrote:I know, god always tells the truth, except when he doesn't...then it's metaphor. Genesis, literal truth, or metaphor? In your estimation? What does magic book tell you?
So, uh...no comments on those bible verses I had an issue with? The ones about killing a jew so that I don't have to go to hell for coveting my neighbors fields?
Genesis is literal. I know of no magic book. You did not post any Bible verses, if you want my comments on Bible verses give book, chapter and verse.
I answered your question are you going to return the same.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 11:31 pm
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(June 27, 2017 at 11:24 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Examples please, throwing out nondescript ideas doesn't work. Do you really think that....because, if you do.....
Quote:Khemikla Wrote:I know, god always tells the truth, except when he doesn't...then it's metaphor. Genesis, literal truth, or metaphor? In your estimation? What does magic book tell you?
So, uh...no comments on those bible verses I had an issue with? The ones about killing a jew so that I don't have to go to hell for coveting my neighbors fields?
Genesis is literal. I know of no magic book. You did not post any Bible verses, if you want my comments on Bible verses give book, chapter and verse.
I answered your question are you going to return the same.
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So I guess he does bullshit you then?
You didn't answer my question. I thought it was a good one, since it's the only one that matters. I don't actually care whether or not your god lies to you, or whether you lie to yourself.
I have a problem with all the verses about brutalizing some hobo to keep my debt from getting called in.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 11:34 pm
(June 27, 2017 at 8:43 pm)Succubus Wrote: If gods love is unconditional then why are so many destined to burn in hell?
Because they have not accepted Christ the Son of God as their savior. God's love want save you without this commitment to Christ. Commitment to Christ brings salvation through God's love, it's called grace (unmerited love).
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PS. No one is destined for hell, that would leave choice out of salvation and thus God's unconditional love.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 11:40 pm
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-Because, as we all know, a just and loving superpixie would base the determination between torture and eternal reward on something wholly unmerited. He doesn't want people out there trying to do shit for merit.
That would be madness.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 28, 2017 at 12:06 am
(June 27, 2017 at 11:34 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (June 27, 2017 at 8:43 pm)Succubus Wrote: If gods love is unconditional then why are so many destined to burn in hell?
Because they have not accepted Christ the Son of God as their savior. God's love want save you without this commitment to Christ. Commitment to Christ brings salvation through God's love, it's called grace (unmerited love).
GC
PS. No one is destined for hell, that would leave choice out of salvation and thus God's unconditional love.
How do you account for the lack of proper information needed to make the correct determinations about any of this on the part of the deity responsible for this gamble? How do you account for the fact that were aren't given a choice about whether we want to participate in this scenario in the first place and yet this is supposed to be 'fair' or 'just in any way?
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 28, 2017 at 12:13 am
(June 27, 2017 at 11:31 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You didn't answer my question. I thought it was a good one, since it's the only one that matters. I don't actually care whether or not your god lies to you, or whether you lie to yourself.
I have a problem with all the verses about brutalizing some hobo to keep my debt from getting called in.
I answered the ones you posted earlier. You did not ask me a question you made a statement about another paying for your sins, and ask what I thought about the verses pertaining to Christ's part in the act of mercy. I hate that my sin was responsible for what He went through, I'm glad He did accomplish what he set out to do through His love for mankind, an unconditional love. If He had not my destination would certainly be different than what it is.
Now you going to answer my question or keep playing games?
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 28, 2017 at 12:16 am
(June 15, 2017 at 11:06 am)alpha male Wrote: Quote:2. Would you sacrifice your child if god asked you to?
Probably not.
Then god would claim you're damn heretic them throw the equivalent of a heaven rock at you I.E. lighting.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 28, 2017 at 12:17 am
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(June 28, 2017 at 12:13 am)Godscreated Wrote: I answered the ones you posted earlier. You did not ask me a question you made a statement about another paying for your sins, and ask what I thought about the verses pertaining to Christ's part in the act of mercy. I hate that my sin was responsible for what He went through, I'm glad He did accomplish what he set out to do through His love for mankind, an unconditional love. If He had not my destination would certainly be different than what it is. There we go. See, I hate that a god would make such an immoral thing the succes or failure condition for a soul. He could have made it anything he wanted..being god, one presumes. It could have even been doing good things..you know, being a good person. But I'm digressing into insanity again, I suppose.
Quote:Now you going to answer my question or keep playing games?
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Now, what did you want examples of again? Oh, that's right, concrete examples of your faith in contradiction with reality;
Quote:Genesis is literal.
-there you go.
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