Christianity and Suicide

[Wyrd of Gawd]

People don't go to hell for committing suicide, but for refusing God's offer of salvation.  Yes, suicide is considered sinful because our lives belong to God.  A follower of Christ shouldn't consider suicide.  The problem is we don't know what the state of a person's mind is at that point and are not equipped to make a judgement concerning that person's salvation.  If a person says "God, I know what your will is, but I don't care" I would think that he doesn't want salvation and won't have it.  If his mind is messed up, as is the case of many suicide victims, who knows?

That's a little hard to justify, scripturally speaking, if you accept that 'thou shalt do no murder' includes murdering yourself. This makes suicide a mortal sin which cannot be forgiven because the sinner is unable to repent.

Boru

The biblical law about not murdering only applied to Israelites killing other Israelites for minor things.  It was perfectly fine for them to kill Gentiles for anything and each other for things like picking up sticks on the sabbath.

[Astonished]

That's a little hard to justify, scripturally speaking, if you accept that 'thou shalt do no murder' includes murdering yourself. This makes suicide a mortal sin which cannot be forgiven because the sinner is unable to repent.

Boru

The biblical law about not murdering only applied to Israelites killing other Israelites for minor things.  It was perfectly fine for them to kill Gentiles for anything and each other for things like picking up sticks on the sabbath.

Isn't Jesus getting crucified to death a means of god committing suicide? So where's this prohibition coming from? Fuck man, god is a hypocrite about absolutely everything he tells us not to do.

[Mystical]

According to the biblical fairy tale no one spends eternity in hell.  On Judgment Day hell gets tossed into the lake of fire, along with people who don't get into the golden cube.

In Islam people do spend eternity in hell.

Which fairy tale are you thinking about?

 Please show me scriptures books, chapters and verses.

GC

I'm having some serious deja vu or something. 

https://atheistforums.org/thread-20756-p...#pid590236

[Astonished]

 Please show me scriptures books, chapters and verses.

GC

I'm having some serious deja vu or something. 

https://atheistforums.org/thread-20756-p...#pid590236

Ah, you know he'll pull some bullshit about it being a mistranslation or we're taking it out of context.

[Mystical]

I'm having some serious deja vu or something. 

https://atheistforums.org/thread-20756-p...#pid590236

Ah, you know he'll pull some bullshit about it being a mistranslation or we're taking it out of context.

In the end the GC I was talking to prior, said .. he dunno, it's just all based on feelings. That he acquired over the years. I've heard others too. Always lookin for a unique real answer, still curious why they believe when they can't answer. I mean, how many people do you see every day are you just okay with going to hell for all eternity??? How fucked up must you be to look on unperturbed???

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The biblical law about not murdering only applied to Israelites killing other Israelites for minor things.  It was perfectly fine for them to kill Gentiles for anything and each other for things like picking up sticks on the sabbath.

Isn't Jesus getting crucified to death a means of god committing suicide? So where's this prohibition coming from? Fuck man, god is a hypocrite about absolutely everything he tells us not to do.

The Bible doesn't have a prohibition against suicide.  King Saul committed suicide.

[ignoramus]

God kills millions every day by not answering the prayers of the millions of sick or starving people who still want to live. But the relative few that suicide go to hell?.

I get it, he's the boss, he makes the rules and only he has the right to take lives.
So let's all stop playing games thinking that God actually cares about anybody's life at all.

Theists, you worship a tyrant. I hope you're proud of yourselves.

[Der/die AtheistIn]

The biblical law about not murdering only applied to Israelites killing other Israelites for minor things.  It was perfectly fine for them to kill Gentiles for anything and each other for things like picking up sticks on the sabbath.

Isn't Jesus getting crucified to death a means of god committing suicide? So where's this prohibition coming from? Fuck man, god is a hypocrite about absolutely everything he tells us not to do.

If you bring arguments like this chrisitians will usaully respond that He is God and He can do whatever the fuck He want's.

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I wonder where did the idea of suicide as a sin came from. Whas it in the bible or did it came from the church?

[Astonished]

Isn't Jesus getting crucified to death a means of god committing suicide? So where's this prohibition coming from? Fuck man, god is a hypocrite about absolutely everything he tells us not to do.

If you bring arguments like this chrisitians will usaully respond that He is God and He can do whatever the fuck He want's.

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I wonder where did the idea of suicide as a sin came from. Whas it in the bible or did it came from the church?

Well you could construe thou shalt not commit murder to mean oneself is included in that, obviously you have no choice but to subjectively interpret things with a book like that. But the church's stance on it is pretty obvious; you kill yourself, you remove the ability to contribute to their bank account, so they're not gonna let you get away with thinking THAT is okay.

[Mystical]

Can't have all those poor children and nuns taking an easy out from their abusers, could they?