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July 26, 2011 at 5:42 pm (This post was last modified: July 26, 2011 at 5:42 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(July 26, 2011 at 5:25 pm)Judas BentHer Wrote:
(July 26, 2011 at 5:15 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Did you even read your own post? It says right there (even though it now looks like Anders did not post that on his Facebook) he was not a Christian in the Religious sense.
Here's a suggestion for you. Rather than post as an insecure reactionary, learn something! CHRISTIAN IDENTITY MOVEMENT
Quote: God by definition cannot commit Terrorism, He alone possesses the right to judge his Creatures.
Then god can never ever be said to be benevolent. And according to how you see god, he's a malevolent sadist. While chapter and verse he is a terrorist. And not only that, he guides his people, the Jews, to commit acts of terrorism in his name.
I would link a definition for "terrorism" and "terrorist" here however, I'll let you care enough to learn the meaning of those words since you've demonstrated thus far you're not inclined to learn what Christian Identity means, perhaps you'll stop reacting foolishly in your ignorance of such terms and actually seek answers to what you clearly don't know.
The Christian Identity Movement has nothing really to do with Biblical Christianity. So I am not really sure why you would waste your time pointing out this guy belonged to it.
Of course God is benevolent, He is also completely just. Giving his rebellious creation judgment is part of his justice, and yet he gives them better than they actually deserve which is part of His loving nature. That is not the topic at hand though in this thread. I'd avoid Theology if I were you, you suck at it.
Still missing a step re: your arguments about god.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(July 26, 2011 at 5:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm sorry, it wasn't the police department after all, it's the media.....they have manifestos laying around.....yadda yadda yadda.
Question Statler, are CI'ers not christian enough, or entirely too christian?
A Christian by definition is someone who believes and follows the teachings of Jesus Christ and his Apostles. The CIM does not do this, so by definition they are not Christian at all. If I created a group and called it the Islamic Identity Movement but behaved in a manner that was completely contrary to Islam I would not expect people to consider my group an actual Islamic group.
(July 26, 2011 at 5:15 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Did you even read your own post? It says right there (even though it now looks like Anders did not post that on his Facebook) he was not a Christian in the Religious sense.
Here's a suggestion for you. Rather than post as an insecure reactionary, learn something! CHRISTIAN IDENTITY MOVEMENT
Quote: God by definition cannot commit Terrorism, He alone possesses the right to judge his Creatures.
Then god can never ever be said to be benevolent. And according to how you see god, he's a malevolent sadist. While chapter and verse he is a terrorist. And not only that, he guides his people, the Jews, to commit acts of terrorism in his name.
I would link a definition for "terrorism" and "terrorist" here however, I'll let you care enough to learn the meaning of those words since you've demonstrated thus far you're not inclined to learn what Christian Identity means, perhaps you'll stop reacting foolishly in your ignorance of such terms and actually seek answers to what you clearly don't know.
The Christian Identity Movement has nothing really to do with Biblical Christianity. So I am not really sure why you would waste your time pointing out this guy belonged to it.
Of course God is benevolent, He is also completely just. Giving his rebellious creation judgment is part of his justice, and yet he gives them better than they actually deserve which is part of His loving nature. That is not the topic at hand though in this thread. I'd avoid Theology if I were you, you suck at it.
Stato, god only exists in the mind of the deluded......people like you.
A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
July 26, 2011 at 5:51 pm (This post was last modified: July 26, 2011 at 5:53 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
What, they don't get the leeway you claim for yourself in torturing meaning out of scripture? They believe themselves to be the true nation of Israel, the chosen people of god as foretold in the bible. What's the deal here, when hebrews do this it's okay, it's religion, but when good old whitey stands up and claims to be the cosmic master race you take offense?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
July 26, 2011 at 5:58 pm (This post was last modified: July 26, 2011 at 6:01 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(July 26, 2011 at 5:49 pm)bozo Wrote:
Stato, god only exists in the mind of the deluded......people like you.
I think we both know that's just a red herring Bozo :-) Atheists can't keep claiming God is a big meanie; but when someone points out that He is not then just resorting to "Well He doesn't exist". Sure you may believe He does not exist, but that was not the issue that was brought up, right?
(July 26, 2011 at 5:51 pm)Rhythm Wrote: What, they don't get the leeway you claim for yourself in torturing meaning out of scripture? They believe themselves to be the true nation of Israel, the chosen people of god as foretold in the bible. What's the deal here, when hebrews do this it's okay, it's religion, but when good old whitey stands up and claims to be the cosmic master race you take offense?
The Israelites had direct revelation from God. Its Christian teaching that God’s revelation has ceased, so even the CIM saying they have revelation from God is in direct opposition to Christianity. So I am afraid you just can't win this one Rhythm.
Quote:Min, I think you know that I was speaking of the issue in general, not for this specific case, considering I mentioned our Constitution.
He still would have chosen another weapon.
It was actually the "interpreting" line, Shel. We have spent the last 200 years interpreting and amending the constitution into the caricature it now is.
Nothing fishy here Stato. That god only exists in the mind of the believer is pretty much the real deal that trumps every card.
We only talk about your god to express the contempt we feel for such a creature if it actually existed.
A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
(July 26, 2011 at 5:42 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: The Christian Identity Movement has nothing really to do with Biblical Christianity. So I am not really sure why you would waste your time pointing out this guy belonged to it.
Do you suffer ADD? I wasted my time because you were not able to read the fact that the man himself, in his manifesto, said he was a Christian.
And of course the CIM has something to do with Biblical Christianity. Do the research.
Quote:...Of course God is benevolent, He is also completely just. Giving his rebellious creation judgment is part of his justice, and yet he gives them better than they actually deserve which is part of His loving nature. That is not the topic at hand though in this thread. I'd avoid Theology if I were you, you suck at it.
You've said that to me before. I forgive you your oral fixation in the name of the Christ you claim to represent.
"In life you can never be too kind or too fair; everyone you meet is carrying a heavy load. When you go through your day expressing kindness and courtesy to all you meet, you leave behind a feeling of warmth and good cheer, and you help alleviate the burdens everyone is struggling with."
Brian Tracy
Quote:Min, I think you know that I was speaking of the issue in general, not for this specific case, considering I mentioned our Constitution.
He still would have chosen another weapon.
It was actually the "interpreting" line, Shel. We have spent the last 200 years interpreting and amending the constitution into the caricature it now is.
I won't argue with you there.
Hey Shell B,
Did they make all of you switch to those badge avatars?
A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
