There is a difference between salvation, and the rewards of Heaven

[Silver]

Lol a Drich preachy thread. It's been years, dude. You're persistent. I'll give you that.

To be honest, he created this thread in reference to something mentioned in another thread.

[J a c k]

Lol a Drich preachy thread. It's been years, dude. You're persistent. I'll give you that.

To be honest, he created this thread in reference to something mentioned in another thread.

What I mean is that he's persistent in even putting in effort here. I mean damn! Lol

[Drich]

Yawn.  Hail Ahura Mazda.  Why in the hell would anyone care?  There is no god, there is no hell, there is no heaven.

what a stupid question. especially from someone who will argue tooth and nail about the morality of the God of the bible, but then pretend she is above such a discussion?

AGAIN, So you can argue the actual Christianity bit, and not the straw man crap you guys keep repeating.

[drfuzzy]

Yawn.  Hail Ahura Mazda.  Why in the hell would anyone care?  There is no god, there is no hell, there is no heaven.

what a stupid question. especially from someone who will argue tooth and nail about the morality of the God of the bible, but then pretend she is above such a discussion?

AGAIN, So you can argue the actual Christianity bit, and not the straw man crap you guys keep repeating.

Oh, you're right.  I find Yahweh to be a despicable monster.  I also find Yahweh to be the fictitious construct of a bunch of ignorant, brutal savages.  The only reason for using the wholly babble to slam the Old War Demon Rapist Genocidal Sky Daddy is that verses from that repulsive book of fairy tales are the only thing brainwashed xtians MIGHT listen to.  And if they don't listen, at least some of them are sentient enough to realize that they shouldn't be pushing me to believe in their imaginary friend.

Arguing about religious beliefs does not mean I believe any of those religious beliefs or stand a snowballs chance in your non-existent hell of converting.  There is nothing written in your wholly babble that is any more relevant to my real life than a kids book about sparkly vampires.  I do not believe in the existence of any gods, no heaven, no hell, no satan, no allah, no vishnu - no gods.  I MIGHT change my mind if a deity showed up and proved it existed, but that still wouldn't mean it was worthy of anyone's worship.

[Mister Agenda]

The OP at least had some thought put into it. Points for good Christian theology that a lot of Christians don't get.

[Athene]

Why does he reveal himself in ancient languages that are subject to interpretation and change?

So to keep obsessive compulsive church leaders for giving power to his actual words like one would a chant or incantation.

Wuuuuut? Shut the front door! GTFO!

Bible-based assertion or your own personal deduction? I'm familiar with the folklore stating that the knowledge and speaking of a being's true name gives one vast and terrible power over said individual; That's some old-school hocus-pocus magic right there. Pre-dates Christianity, for certain. Is that where you got this notion from?

Anyhow, if you believe this to be case, then what's up with your god, Drich? Why would an omnipotent being be so concerned with folks jacking his POWER, that he would deliberately see to his own Word being muddled and convoluted in an effort to prevent random MF's off of the street from wielding it?

Do you actually even believe him to be omnipotent? I don't see how your Biblical God character's actions can be interpreted as such. Been around the block the longest? Sure. Knows a lot, can do a lot; much, much more than anyone else. Sure, sure. 
But, not everything. And not anything.

What's your take on that?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
The Bible plainly says that no one goes to heaven.  So since it's part of the fairy tale it must be true.
__________
that's not true. We all don't get to go. that part is.

According to the fairy tale it says in John 3:13 (CEV) = "No one has gone up to heaven except the Son of Man, who came down from there."
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%203:13

[Losty]

Might sound preachy but there is still alot of confusion between simple salvation and the rewards know God can yield.

Going to heaven/getting to decide who gets to go is not on us, the church we go to, the things we do nor the religious title we may give ourselves. It's all about what Christ decides. We are given a life (y) the time from life to life varies (x) we are also in the life given varied exposure to God (z) then we are all given gifts, and how we use those gifts all are considered by Christ.. That is how Christ determines who is and who is not worthy of Heaven. Meaning who is and is not Christian. No one can be born a christian, like no one is born 'saved.' Christ decides based on who you are the time you had and what you did when you were here. Yes church is the easiest way to be judged a Christian, but not the only way. one of my last threads here explain how there are going to be alot of 'non-Christians' rolling round Heaven.. at least by 'church standards.'

So again salvation is free and just needs the tinniest bit of faith if that to work if you are genuine.

That said once you get to heaven, we do not all arrive on equal footing. Some enter as kings destined to sit in honor and power next to Christ while others enter as if they were escaping a great fire with their cloths and hair singed by the fire.. Meaning heaven's homeless. That is what knowing who God is about. That is why we must A/S/K that is why we seek out and serve God. Not only for the reward in Heaven but to get to know and experience God in this life. If you want proof of God what better way to 'proove' God then to have Him Show up in your life in some meaningful way...

But what if your way your religious ideas are corrupt? Your religious idealism maybe enough to find you the grace to enter heaven's getto but it isn't enough for God to show up in the way of the Holy Spirit and directly connect with you. why? because God is not who you think He is. God is not looking for a son. God is looking for a servant First. Someone who will seek and do things His way at first. No different than getting a job. the better you are at it the greater the reward until God makes you apart of the family.

So remember no one is born a christian. no one can truly claim to be christian. That is a matter Christ will decide at some point. At best we can call our selves deciples of Christ or followers of Christ, as of yet none of us has been saved. The bible keeps pointing forward to that moment. It is not something that happened but will happen when we are all judged. Also know salvation at a poverty level is free to everyone. It is when you want to deal with God directly that God demands you come to Him a certain way.

Cool beans

[chimp3]

Might sound preachy but there is still alot of confusion between simple salvation and the rewards know God can yield.

Going to heaven/getting to decide who gets to go is not on us, the church we go to, the things we do nor the religious title we may give ourselves. It's all about what Christ decides. We are given a life (y) the time from life to life varies (x) we are also in the life given varied exposure to God (z) then we are all given gifts, and how we use those gifts all are considered by Christ.. That is how Christ determines who is and who is not worthy of Heaven. Meaning who is and is not Christian. No one can be born a christian, like no one is born 'saved.' Christ decides based on who you are the time you had and what you did when you were here. Yes church is the easiest way to be judged a Christian, but not the only way. one of my last threads here explain how there are going to be alot of 'non-Christians' rolling round Heaven.. at least by 'church standards.'

So again salvation is free and just needs the tinniest bit of faith if that to work if you are genuine.

That said once you get to heaven, we do not all arrive on equal footing. Some enter as kings destined to sit in honor and power next to Christ while others enter as if they were escaping a great fire with their cloths and hair singed by the fire.. Meaning heaven's homeless. That is what knowing who God is about. That is why we must A/S/K that is why we seek out and serve God. Not only for the reward in Heaven but to get to know and experience God in this life. If you want proof of God what better way to 'proove' God then to have Him Show up in your life in some meaningful way...

But what if your way your religious ideas are corrupt? Your religious idealism maybe enough to find you the grace to enter heaven's getto but it isn't enough for God to show up in the way of the Holy Spirit and directly connect with you. why? because God is not who you think He is. God is not looking for a son. God is looking for a servant First. Someone who will seek and do things His way at first. No different than getting a job. the better you are at it the greater the reward until God makes you apart of the family.

So remember no one is born a christian. no one can truly claim to be christian. That is a matter Christ will decide at some point. At best we can call our selves deciples of Christ or followers of Christ, as of yet none of us has been saved. The bible keeps pointing forward to that moment. It is not something that happened but will happen when we are all judged. Also know salvation at a poverty level is free to everyone. It is when you want to deal with God directly that God demands you come to Him a certain way.

A longtime ago people made up this fairy tale. Drich made it up again. This is how the religion meme works. An ongoing creative process.

[Brian37]

Yawn.  Hail Ahura Mazda.  Why in the hell would anyone care?  There is no god, there is no hell, there is no heaven.

what a stupid question. especially from someone who will argue tooth and nail about the morality of the God of the bible, but then pretend she is above such a discussion?

AGAIN, So you can argue the actual Christianity bit, and not the straw man crap you guys keep repeating.

What "straw man?" If you think you have any more evidence for your magic baby myth than Muslims have for Allah or Jews have for Yahweh or Hindus have for Bhrama or Visnu, keep deluding yourself.

But again, if you want to go the morality route, nope sorry, the character as depicted in the bible you call God is a petty narcissistic bully and an insecure one at that.