There is a difference between salvation, and the rewards of Heaven

[Drich]

Say . . . whut?  You think because I just claimed that Darth Vader is evil and obsessed with power, I believe Darth Vader is REAL?   You think because I claim Voldemort is a narcissistic sociopathic megalomaniac, I believe that Voldemort is REAL?  The only difference is that most people don't want to spend their time trying to convince me that these fictional characters are real, and think that they are superior because they believe and I don't.  

   Glob..
Ok.. lets go back a few grades and try it again.

Let's say you know vader is not real, but there is a group of sith lord worshipers who do terrorist type stuff in the name of vader. So then who do you blame for the evil works? Vader or the followers who perform them???

Now what I am saing is if you tryly do not believe in vader you automatically blame the follwers you will not consider or entertain an excuse containing the will of vader. vader is not on the map period.

That is not what you do princess fuzz. you blame God, and call the followers mundane morons.. (go back and read if you like ) So then I say some part of you does indeed believe in vader/god.

If a deity showed up and proved it's existence, this would only mean that a being with superior abilities to human kind showed up.

God does for everyone who seeks Him out on His terms each and every time.

 Nothing more.  And any deity capable of creating billions of galaxies is capable of proving that it exists.  Particularly IF it, for some weird reason, wants a bunch of sentient apes to worship it all the time.

I have argued that as well. if you look at the description of God, He is a trans dimensional being who has complete power and authority over our dimension. And that is where the worship comes in.. with the power and authority.

  You found god?

  Yes

Do you want a medal?

Actually I like to be invited over to the 'big house' for dinner.. doesn't have to be just me, could be for a big party for Paul or someone.. Just like to see how God lives.

Do you want applause?

No just don't want you a-holes making the same lementful mistake I made. After my judgement and I was sentenced to Hell I accepted my faith but thought the thought of wondering if I'd only known the truth would I have chose to serve God rather than hate Him would eat me live durning my time in Hell.. After all I had just momentarily left the completeness and love of what Heven would have been and it felt right... more right than anything I ever wanted for myself.

Do you think you're supposed to preach this to the poor ignorant idiots who don't believe he exists?

No. I am to bring the truth to the light.. like the fact that deep down you still believe in God. like the fact that I am not teaching salvation, because we do not decide who is and is not saved. Christ does. I also teach that Christ is not a respecter of the titles we award ourselves. Atheist, Christian, Muslim deists all will be represented in Heaven to one degree or another. Some will go on to great things (His active followers and worshipers) and others will live in poverty and perform menial tasks. It all depends on what you do with your God given gifts and abilities.

 (What a disrespectful asshole.) No real deity needs a human to speak for it.  

Need no, Want yes, as per our great commission "Go out into the world speaking of the gospel and baptising in the name of the F,S,&S"

You found god?  

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Bring him to a TV station and have him prove it.  Until you can do that, you're wasting your time and ours.

Just because I found God does not mean I command God. That said God has given me access to His 'library' to the degree of what I can comprehend

Which is how I provide my answers.

Not the mundain stuff, but the answers the big questions no one else can answer. God allows me to sometime watch as things unfold like how creation works with evolution seamlessly by moving just 3 verses and throwing out the traditional explaination, and just let the words on page speak for themselves. Nothing in the bible has to change just our understanding of what a chapter is. if we can do that then all the paradoxes also go away. (who did adam's children marry, where did the city of nod come from ect..)

[drfuzzy]

Say . . . whut?  You think because I just claimed that Darth Vader is evil and obsessed with power, I believe Darth Vader is REAL?   You think because I claim Voldemort is a narcissistic sociopathic megalomaniac, I believe that Voldemort is REAL?  The only difference is that most people don't want to spend their time trying to convince me that these fictional characters are real, and think that they are superior because they believe and I don't.  

   Glob..
Ok.. lets go back a few grades and try it again.

If I go back a few grades . . . let's see, I officially got to grade 24 at a minimum.  I have two Master's degrees and a Doctorate. So, which University are you suggesting and in which Doctoral course will be be enrolling?  Philosophy would be acceptable, since I won't do Theology.  I don't want to spend my time studying fanciful tales about how to properly worship the Tooth Fairy.

Let's say you know vader is not real, but there is a group of sith lord worshipers who do terrorist type stuff in the name of vader. So then who do you blame for the evil works? Vader or the followers who perform them???

Now what I am saing is if you tryly do not believe in vader you automatically blame the follwers you will not consider or entertain an excuse containing the will of vader. vader is not on the map period.

That is not what you do princess fuzz. you blame God, and call the followers mundane morons.. (go back and read if you like ) So then I say some part of you does indeed believe in vader/god.   You have got to be insane.  I believe that xtians and muslims and hindus and zoroastrians are deluded because they follow a fairy tale.  

If a deity showed up and proved it's existence, this would only mean that a being with superior abilities to human kind showed up.

God does for everyone who seeks Him out on His terms each and every time.   Bullshit. If he ever did, we would have evidence.  We do not.

 Nothing more.  And any deity capable of creating billions of galaxies is capable of proving that it exists.  Particularly IF it, for some weird reason, wants a bunch of sentient apes to worship it all the time.

I have argued that as well. if you look at the description of God, He is a trans dimensional being who has complete power and authority over our dimension. And that is where the worship comes in.. with the power and authority.   Ridiculous babble bullshit.  

  You found god?

  Yes   So happy for you.  I have personal relationship with my cat.  She's real.

Do you want a medal?

Actually I like to be invited over to the 'big house' for dinner.. doesn't have to be just me, could be for a big party for Paul or someone.. Just like to see how God lives.  Getting more ridiculous as it goes along.  But it's YOUR fantasy.

Do you want applause?

No just don't want you a-holes making the same lementful (not a word) mistake I made. After my judgement and I was sentenced to Hell I accepted my faith but thought the thought of wondering if I'd only known the truth would I have chose to serve God rather than hate Him would eat me live durning my time in Hell.. After all I had just momentarily left the completeness and love of what Heven would have been and it felt right... more right than anything I ever wanted for myself.

Wow.  Dripshit has actually VISITED heaven and hell and seen gawd.  Can I have some of whatever drug you were on?  No wait - it obviously caused permanent brain damage.  Never mind.

Do you think you're supposed to preach this to the poor ignorant idiots who don't believe he exists?

No. I am to bring the truth to the light.. like the fact that deep down you still believe in God. like the fact that I am not teaching salvation, because we do not decide who is and is not saved. Christ does. I also teach that Christ is not a respecter of the titles we award ourselves. Atheist, Christian, Muslim deists all will be represented in Heaven to one degree or another. Some will go on to great things (His active followers and worshipers) and others will live in poverty and perform menial tasks. It all depends on what you do with your God given gifts and abilities.

I have asserted multiple times that God doesn't exist.  And multiple times you have accused me of lying.  That is unbelievably disrespectful and idiotic.  You can't possibly believe that anyone would give your "truth" a second's attention when you behave in such a fashion.  

 (What a disrespectful asshole.) No real deity needs a human to speak for it.  

Need no, Want yes, as per our great commission "Go out into the world speaking of the gospel and baptising in the name of the F,S,&S"
Yeah, that worked before people had video cameras and knew that the world wasn't flat and were making up stories about supermen.

You found god?  

[size=undefined]Again yes.
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Bring him to a TV station and have him prove it.  Until you can do that, you're wasting your time and ours.

Just because I found God does not mean I command God. That said God has given me access to His 'library' to the degree of what I can comprehend

Which is how I provide my answers.

Not the mundain stuff, but the answers the big questions no one else can answer. God allows me to sometime watch as things unfold like how creation works with evolution seamlessly by moving just 3 verses and throwing out the traditional explaination, and just let the words on page speak for themselves. Nothing in the bible has to change just our understanding of what a chapter is. if we can do that then all the paradoxes also go away. (who did adam's children marry, where did the city of nod come from ect..)

"Library."  You need one.  A real one.  With some books on science and logic.  Not a book of immoral idiotic fairy tales and people writing whole tomes postulating about something that doesn't exist.  You could also use a dictionary.  You're going back on ignore, DripShit.  I lose brain cells and time I can never get back every time I make the mistake of reading your ridiculous drivel.  

[The Grand Nudger]

yeah I was hoping to by a star ship with my potential earnings and shat-ner across the universe... The problem here is that I probably piss God off more than most of you guys.. So I imagine if there is this big public housing project/building where 'good atheist' go.. I'm probably going to be the guy who collects the government checks and fixes the toilets. At least then I could evict a few of you if you get out of hand...

Now it just dawned on me/thanks to you, I could be just another resident and have to ride the bus and share a cubical with you all....
Then I wake up in the Captain's ready room just off the bridge on my star Ship the Millennium Enterprise! Which is similar to the enterprise D, but the saucer section has been replaced with a well adapted/properly scaled Millennium falcon.

Chewy, Make it so!

Yup, you'll scrub the toilets while I stand shoulder to shoulder with the angels guarding the gates of St. Peter.  Such are the wages of the sins you commit, here, daily...heretic. Your god -loves- groundpounders like me..and he;s not really choosey when it comes to their religion.  

[Whateverist]

Regarding the title of this thread -nothing could entice me to actually read what that moron has to say- there may be differences but there is also one huge similarity. They are both made-up, bullshit terms.

[brewer]

OP: Ohhh, Oooohhh, I know, I know.

One is make believe on earth. The other is make believe in make believe land.

If someone got it correct before me sorry. Couldn't be bothered to read crap.

[Drich]

If I go back a few grades . . . let's see, I officially got to grade 24 at a minimum.  I have two Master's degrees and a Doctorate. So, which University are you suggesting and in which Doctoral course will be be enrolling?  Philosophy would be acceptable, since I won't do Theology.  I don't want to spend my time studying fanciful tales about how to properly worship the Tooth Fairy.

So not only did you not get the sunday school point I made, you still can't work the quote tags properly. Nice!

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God does for everyone who seeks Him out on His terms each and every time.   Bullshit. If he ever did, we would have evidence.  We do not.

I have argued that as well. if you look at the description of God, He is a trans dimensional being who has complete power and authority over our dimension. And that is where the worship comes in.. with the power and authority.   Ridiculous babble bullshit.  

would you like for me to provide definations for you? referring to my post as babbling generally refers to a misunderstanding of what I wrote. If you do not understand the words i use then I can back even further and provide a easier to understand explanation.

  Yes   So happy for you.  I have personal relationship with my cat.  She's real.

Actually I like to be invited over to the 'big house' for dinner.. doesn't have to be just me, could be for a big party for Paul or someone.. Just like to see how God lives.  Getting more ridiculous as it goes along.  But it's YOUR fantasy.

Who wouldn't want to sit down and have a meal with God? Even at a state dinner.. imagine who'd all you'd meet.

Wow.  Dripshit has actually VISITED heaven and hell and seen gawd.  Can I have some of whatever drug you were on?  No wait - it obviously caused permanent brain damage.  Never mind.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html more detail if you like


No. I am to bring the truth to the light.. like the fact that deep down you still believe in God. like the fact that I am not teaching salvation, because we do not decide who is and is not saved. Christ does. I also teach that Christ is not a respecter of the titles we award ourselves. Atheist, Christian, Muslim deists all will be represented in Heaven to one degree or another. Some will go on to great things (His active followers and worshipers) and others will live in poverty and perform menial tasks. It all depends on what you do with your God given gifts and abilities.

I have asserted multiple times that God doesn't exist.  And multiple times you have accused me of lying.  That is unbelievably disrespectful and idiotic.  You can't possibly believe that anyone would give your "truth" a second's attention when you behave in such a fashion.  

cop out.. gain you believe when it suits you to use the bible and persecute Christians and or God.

"Library."  You need one.  A real one.  With some books on science and logic.  Not a book of immoral idiotic fairy tales and people writing whole tomes postulating about something that doesn't exist.  You could also use a dictionary.  You're going back on ignore, DripShit.  I lose brain cells and time I can never get back every time I make the mistake of reading your ridiculous drivel.  

I loose brain cells=
i don't like God's truth encroaching on my style/getting too close, can't respond with out using insults... I'm beginning to look bad.