Organic Molecules Found 400 Light Years From Earth

[rjh4 is back]

The abiogenesis proposition, itself - is agent/cause neutral.

So do you consider the abiogenesis proposition to be a scientific proposition, i.e., can be studied via the natural sciences?

[Minimalist]

Science keeps marching forward while creatards keep marching in circles.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/83...rn-cassini

The Cassini spaceship, which has been at the ringed planet since 2005 and is currently in the final stages of its mission, detected carbon chain anions – one of the main ingredients of life on Earth.
Scientists describe them as prebiotic meaning that they could be the foundation for life as with the case on Earth.
The chemicals were found in the moon’s atmosphere which has redefined scientists understanding of Titan.

Tell your fucking god to retire to Miami Beach.  We don't need him any more.

[The Grand Nudger]

The abiogenesis proposition, itself - is agent/cause neutral.

So do you consider the abiogenesis proposition to be a scientific proposition, i.e., can be studied via the natural sciences?

Of course it can..as demonstrated by the fact that it -has- been? It's a proposition regarding chemistry - that's pretty natural...and awfully sciencey.

[rjh4 is back]

So do you consider the abiogenesis proposition to be a scientific proposition, i.e., can be studied via the natural sciences?

Of course it can..as demonstrated by the fact that it -has- been?  It's a proposition regarding chemistry - that's pretty natural...and awfully sciencey.

And what is the definition you use for "natural science"? Is it one that is limited to naturalistic explanations or one that is broader or something else?

[Cyberman]

There's some other kinds of explanations?

[ignoramus]

Not to mention even if we did create life in a lab creationists would just argue it was by intelligence and thus does not count .

That's funny right there!
Because everyone know Gods are dumb cunts!? hehe

[Cyberman]

Indeed, literally dumber than rocks.

[ignoramus]

Yep. God is officially equally as dumb as a Higgs boson's left testicle. (neither exist)

(we could have fun with a "how dumb is God" thread...)

[Cyberman]

"God" is so dumb, it can't even take offence by itself.

[The Grand Nudger]

Of course it can..as demonstrated by the fact that it -has- been?  It's a proposition regarding chemistry - that's pretty natural...and awfully sciencey.

And what is the definition you use for "natural science"? Is it one that is limited to naturalistic explanations or one that is broader or something else?

Natural science would include anything we found in nature - organic chemistry and biology are well within the remit of whatever limits you seek to impose by implication...and do not qualify as "something else" regardless of whether or not there is a "something else" in the first place - nor would some x being "something else" prevent science from studying it provided that it had an effect on something natural - which......in this case, is the proposal irrespective of anyone's beliefs. If god played in the dirt with organic chemistry to create life, there would be evidence of that in the dirt, the chemistry, and life itself - and as such god would find itself firmly approachable by natural science through it;s demonstrable or falsifiable effects on the natural world.

As an example. If some believer proposed that there was a god that made bananas fall from trees - and we found that this was not the case, that- rather- a biological process related of fruiting bodies caused this seperation - then The God Of Making Bananas Fall From Trees has been falsified. In common parlance, it simply doesn't exist. He can protest that his god is supernatural, "other"..or that science is somehow limited to studying the banana...but none of this will change the fact that the Banana God is not where he said it was, nor does it do what he said it did. He'll have to change his proposition to Some Other God - that ones DOA.

The only way to escape the horrible grasp of science ( ), in the end, is to propose a god that has absolutely no effect on the natural world - our world.