Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite

[JackRussell]

We're back to intuition again? We're really doing this?

Wash, rinse.......repeat.

LR is the broken clock that isn't even right twice a day.

[Cyberman]

This clock is broken by way of having no hands. It does have a damn irritating alarm bell, though.

[Succubus]

I don't think Cyb you know how the detective work works.

You start with what you got.
It doesn't really matter if what you got is little.
Piece after piece you build the mosaic that give you a clear image.

Is true that I never had an NDE but I am very very lucky because I got what is needed to get all pieces that build the image that give evidence to the fact that we never die and God is real.

The evidence is within Cyb so by working within you will sooner or later come up with who you really are.
Outside and externally there is nothing but an illusion that is why atheists, materialists and religious fanatics
get nowhere.
NDEs match exactly what you can discover working on your subconscious.
The two experiences go hand in hand that is why you can't go wrong.
If you also put the teaching of Shiva, Krishna, Buddha and Christ that say the same thing then you are 100% sure that you are correct.  

Err, are you quoting BlindedWantsToSee or is post another sign of your decent into insanity?

[Harry Nevis]

Well I am due to undergo an operation in the next 8 - 12 weeks under general anesthetic. I've had it before so I know that I will be unconscious at the time because of what will be done to my physical brain.

But of course Little Prik ignores all the documented and peer reviewed evidence about anesthesia and why and how it works. Or for the effects of neuro-degenerative diseases or narcotic drugs for that matter.

And the point you try to make is.........?  

To me it seems that you are under mental anesthetic right now?  

I think the point, although I may be wrong, is that you're an idiot?

[JackRussell]

And the point you try to make is.........?  

To me it seems that you are under mental anesthetic right now?  

I think the point, although I may be wrong, is that you're an idiot?

LR is never wrong, you must remember that. It sucks to be us, but he knows everything and dialogue is pointless.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Nerve implant 'restores consciousness' to man in vegetative state

A 35-year-old man who had been in a vegetative state for 15 years has shown signs of consciousness after receiving a pioneering therapy involving nerve stimulation.

The treatment challenges a widely-accepted view that there is no prospect of a patient recovering consciousness if they have been in a vegetative state for longer than 12 months.

Since sustaining severe brain injuries in a car accident, the man had been completely unaware of the world around him. But when fitted with an implant to stimulate the vagus nerve, which travels into the brain stem, the man appeared to flicker back into a state of consciousness.

Obviously the medics are wrong and he's just a lazy sod who was conscious for 15 years but only became interested in the outside world again because he was wondering what they were doing to his vagus nerve.

[Little Rik]

And the point you try to make is.........?  

To me it seems that you are under mental anesthetic right now?  

Well I don't have my sock puppets or crayons handy so unfortunately I shall have to rely on just words to explain it to you.

If consciousness was not a function of the physical brain then anesthesia would not work at all.

Here is some peer reviewed evidence for you (unfortunately it also uses words).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2743249/

How consciousness arises in the brain remains unknown. Yet, for nearly two centuries our ignorance has not hampered the use of general anesthesia for routinely extinguishing consciousness during surgery. Unfortunately, once in every 1000–2000 operations a patient may temporarily regain consciousness or even remain conscious during surgery

WRONG ONCE AGAIN MAT.  

Our consciousness is stuck and trapped inside our physical body until physical death will occur.
Only after physical death our consciousness will separate from the dead body as has already been demonstrated by thousand of NDEs.

If during the time that our consciousness is within our physical body an accident to our physical body occur then is obvious that our consciousness will lose her power to operate in part or in full according to the damage done to our physical body.

That doesn't mean that the consciousness is a product of the brain.

Would you be so so stupid to say that a driver that get trapped inside a car after an accident is the product of the car?  

All your example show is that a driver is fit once again after the car get in the condition to operate once again.
And of course the same goes for a consciousness which come back to normality or partial normality once the brain-body has been fixed up.

Get real women and get rid of all these dogmas that you have been spouting quite often so far.    

This is a good tip for your own mental stability.  

[I_am_not_mafia]

Our consciousness is stuck and trapped inside our physical body until physical death will occur.
Only after physical death our consciousness will separate from the dead body as has already been demonstrated by thousand of NDEs.

If during the time that our consciousness is within our physical body an accident to our physical body occur then is obvious that our consciousness will lose her power to operate in part or in full according to the damage done to our physical body.

OK you're the one asserting something so it's your turn to provide the evidence. Peer reviewed, reproducible and falsifiable evidence obtained under laboratory conditions. And also answer the following questions:

• If consciousness is not a product of the brain then how come we become unconscious when anesthetised?
  
• If consciousness is not a product of the brain then how can narcotic drugs and neurodegenerative diseases have the effect that they do?
  
• Why will an accident to the physical body affect consciousness?
  
• Give me an example of a stable pattern of energy persisting for a length of time without the use of matter.
  
• Where does disembodied conscious get its power source from and how does it not violate the second law of thermodynamics?
  
• How can we measure, observe or capture disembodied consciousness floating around the place?
  
• If we can't do this then why can't we measure, observe or capture disembodied consciousness floating around the place?
  
• Why and how is consciousness trapped in the body until physical death? What is keeping it there?
  
• If consciousness is trapped inside the the body until physical death then does this mean that you don't believe in astral projection?
  
• If consciousness is trapped inside the body until physical death and you can't measure or observe a disembodied consciousness then what evidence do you have that it continues to exist after death?
  
• How come the consciousness leaves the body during a near death experience if the physical body and brain is still alive?
  
• If the only evidence that you have are people's own reports, then how do you know that during an NDE that consciousness is actually leaving the body and that it can't be explained more simply the fact that at the point of death the brain is not working properly and so can't be trusted to give an accurate account of what it perceives to be happening?
  

[Fake Messiah]

Yeah if consciousness is not material and is spiritual as well as not a product of the brain then what is exactly trapping it inside our physical aka material body?

[Little Rik]

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Our consciousness is stuck and trapped inside our physical body until physical death will occur.
Only after physical death our consciousness will separate from the dead body as has already been demonstrated by thousand of NDEs.

If during the time that our consciousness is within our physical body an accident to our physical body occur then is obvious that our consciousness will lose her power to operate in part or in full according to the damage done to our physical body.

OK you're the one asserting something so it's your turn to provide the evidence. Peer reviewed, reproducible and falsifiable evidence obtained under laboratory conditions. And also answer the following questions:

Laboratory conditions?

A lot better than laboratory condition when you got a doctor that declare someone dead and after sometime to see the same doctor that scratch his head in disbelieve when he-she see the dead bloke alive again.

• If consciousness is not a product of the brain then how come we become unconscious when anesthetised?
  
• If consciousness is not a product of the brain then how can narcotic drugs and neurodegenerative diseases have the effect that they do?
  
• Why will an accident to the physical body affect consciousness?
  
• Give me an example of a stable pattern of energy persisting for a length of time without the use of matter.
  
• Where does disembodied conscious get its power source from and how does it not violate the second law of thermodynamics?
  
• How can we measure, observe or capture disembodied consciousness floating around the place?
  
• If we can't do this then why can't we measure, observe or capture disembodied consciousness floating around the place?
  
• Why and how is consciousness trapped in the body until physical death? What is keeping it there?
  
• If consciousness is trapped inside the the body until physical death then does this mean that you don't believe in astral projection?
  
• If consciousness is trapped inside the body until physical death and you can't measure or observe a disembodied consciousness then what evidence do you have that it continues to exist after death?
  
• How come the consciousness leaves the body during a near death experience if the physical body and brain is still alive?
  
• If the only evidence that you have are people's own reports, then how do you know that during an NDE that consciousness is actually leaving the body and that it can't be explained more simply the fact that at the point of death the brain is not working properly and so can't be trusted to give an accurate account of what it perceives to be happening?
  

If consciousness is not a product of the brain then how come we become unconscious when anesthetised?

Because the consciousness is depended on the body-brain to function.
This as far as the body-brain is still alive.
Being trapped inside the body-brain means that you can not be independent and therefore when your body brain is down you are also down.

If consciousness is not a product of the brain then how can narcotic drugs and neurodegenerative diseases have the effect that they do?

Because the consciousness being stuck and trapped inside body-brain has no chance to escape and be independent.

Why will an accident to the physical body affect consciousness?

You keep on asking the same question again and again.
See the answer above.

Give me an example of a stable pattern of energy persisting for a length of time without the use of matter.

What a stupid question Mat.
Matter is just one of the factor within this universe that is made of energy-consciousness although is in a latent stage.
Space, air, light and water are the other form of energy within this universe so energy is everywhere and if you are aware enough of how the system works you can access energy 24/7 matter or not matter.

Where does disembodied conscious get its power source from and how does it not violate the second law of thermodynamics?

One more silly question Mat.

Once the body die the consciousness take over and separate from the body.
OVER WHERE?
Certainly not in this universal dimension where the law of thermodynamics apply.
Remember that within this universe we have a physical dimension but the consciousness is not physical by nature.
She is abstract therefore she is not bound by the rules and restriction that apply in this physical universe.
Once she leave the dead body then she belong to a different dimension where the physical-mental energy do not belong.
Only once she take a further reincarnation then she will be bound to the rules that apply in this universal dimension once again.

How can we measure, observe or capture disembodied consciousness floating around the place?

If you decide to become an avidya tantric you can do that but it s a very dangerous thing to do.
Achieving these occult powers for curiosity or for controlling or harming other people is a NO NO for serious spiritual aspirant or vidya tantrics.

If we can't do this then why can't we measure, observe or capture disembodied consciousness floating around the place?

To run the universe is God job not ours.
To try to interfere in God job is very foolish.
First you grow up to God level and become one with him.
After that you can do what God can do.

Why and how is consciousness trapped in the body until physical death? What is keeping it there?

Why the consciousness is trapped in the matter, in the plants in animals?
For the same reason why is trapped in humans and that is to grow in awareness until the consciousness is 100% aware of who we are.
Through countless reincarnation from matter to plant to animals to humans we finally reach the peak of evolution and merge in the same cosmic mind that started the cycle in the first place.

If consciousness is trapped inside the the body until physical death then does this mean that you don't believe in astral projection?

A serious spiritual aspirant is not interest a bit about these things Mat.
If however God let you experience an NDE or other out of body experiences then is ok. but we shouldn't ask or wish for.
Nothing to do with believing or not.

If consciousness is trapped inside the body until physical death and you can't measure or observe a disembodied consciousness then what evidence do you have that it continues to exist after death?

That is bizarre Mat.
Atheists say all the time that is science that make sense not theism yet when science contradict them they pretend that they are still on the correct track.
Science believe in evolution so it come natural that a plant will turn into an animal an animal into a human and so on.
The body will go to the dogs so to speak but the consciousness will not and continue her journey to the peak of evolution.
Evolution can not end with a human body.
The journey to the peak of evolution continue until total peace of mind is found and that is when we merge into the ocean of cosmic consciousness that is why we never die.

The evidence will be found as you proceed toward the peak of evolution.
All your existence get more and more meaningful and you know that the goal is getting closer.

How come the consciousness leaves the body during a near death experience if the physical body and brain is still alive?

Santa told you that?

That is not happening Mat.
Only after the body-brain die the consciousness leave the body-brain.

If the only evidence that you have are people's own reports, then how do you know that during an NDE that consciousness is actually leaving the body and that it can't be explained more simply the fact that at the point of death the brain is not working properly and so can't be trusted to give an accurate account of what it perceives to be happening?

Wrong assumption again Mat.
A dead brain hasn't got any power to work in any way.
Dead is dead, nothing works.

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Yeah if consciousness is not material and is spiritual as well as not a product of the brain then what is exactly trapping it inside our physical aka material body?

That is all about the great evolution game FM.
A tree produce a seed that one day will become as the tree that produced it in the first place.
God do the same.
He reduce part of his consciousness to a seed level to see it grow and grow until one day it will become like him.
It is said that we are the image of God rightly so but this image is hidden into a seed which is our consciousness.
Because this seed or consciousness is not yet developed to God level is obvious that it need a medium to grow such as matter, plants, animal and humans and obviously we will have to put up with this medium or body until we merge into God consciousness and become one with it.