An alternative to atheist thought

[BlindedWantsToSee]

...Brain dead people being revived: I have not met anyone personally. I have seen reports on the subject which testify the subjects had no brain activity whatsoever while they still experienced awareness. I believe at least some of those reports are genuine. You don't believe them. We will see...

Then why post your thoughts in an environment so clearly hostile to this sort of thinking? This forum is dedicated to the dissection of, and the dissemination of, the very thoughts you hold most dear. You spout nonsense here and you will be questioned robustly. So why us, how did you find us?

I was searching online for a forum to share what I have to say. This website happened to come up. My intentions were to offer an alternative way, my way, of interpreting or making sense of life as we know it, why, and how it came to be the way it is, and my opinion on what is the most effective way of dealing with it.  I think atheist people are rational. I think you can judge what I say in light of your own experiences. If there is anything of value to you, I hope you use it to improve your life and the world you live in. I said what I needed to say. I'm not saying anything else unless I am asked a question.

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Why would anyone want an alternative to atheist thought?

There are theories or beliefs and better theories or more accurate beliefs. I believe my theory is better because it takes into account a lot more evidence, which in my opinion is reliable/relevant, and which is dismissed by other theories or beliefs and by atheism. I think people want the best, most accurate information there is, so they can live their lives in a better way, or be happier.

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To me, denying the existence of intelligence in life, or the world, or the universe, or in energy is like denying the presence of coldness in a glass of iced tea that's full of ice.

You do realise that coldness isn't a thing, but rather a privative, a word used to reify an absence of a thing, I hope.

Alright, it is not a thing; but it is something that exists or happens, and impacts life. I mean it does not matter whether coldness is a thing or not; if you or I were to be left naked in the waters of the antarctic, we would freeze just the same. Let's try to catch the ideas behind the words....

[Astonished]

Then why post your thoughts in an environment so clearly hostile to this sort of thinking? This forum is dedicated to the dissection of, and the dissemination of, the very thoughts you hold most dear. You spout nonsense here and you will be questioned robustly. So why us, how did you find us?

I was searching online for a forum to share what I have to say. This website happened to come up. My intentions were to offer an alternative way, my way, of interpreting or making sense of life as we know it, why, and how it came to be the way it is, and my opinion on what is the most effective way of dealing with it.  I think atheist people are rational. I think you can judge what I say in light of your own experiences. If there is anything of value to you, I hope you use it to improve your life and the world you live in. I said what I needed to say. I'm not saying anything else unless I am asked a question.

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Why would anyone want an alternative to atheist thought?

There are theories or beliefs and better theories or more accurate beliefs. I believe my theory is better because it takes into account a lot more evidence, which in my opinion is reliable/relevant, and which is dismissed by other theories or beliefs and by atheism. I think people want the best, most accurate information there is, so they can live their lives in a better way, or be happier.

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You do realise that coldness isn't a thing, but rather a privative, a word used to reify an absence of a thing, I hope.

Alright, it is not a thing; but it is something that exists or happens, and impacts life. I mean it does not matter whether coldness is a thing or not; if you or I were to be left naked in the waters of the antarctic, we would freeze just the same. Let's try to catch the ideas behind the words....

So you really are just full of crap. Good to know.

[Whateverist]

Why would anyone want an alternative to atheist thought?

There are theories or beliefs and better theories or more accurate beliefs. I believe my theory is better because it takes into account a lot more evidence, which in my opinion is reliable/relevant, and which is dismissed by other theories or beliefs and by atheism. I think people want the best, most accurate information there is, so they can live their lives in a better way, or be happier.

So do you believe there is a significant universal set of thoughts only shared by atheists which are holding them back? I'd be interested to hear what those are. I don't think of atheism as informing any of my thoughts. Rather, I am called an atheist simply because one kind of belief is missing from mine that is present for theists.

[Harry Nevis]

To me, denying the existence of intelligence in life, or the world, or the universe, or in energy is like denying the presence of coldness in a glass of iced tea that's full of ice.

So, intelligence exists.

We know that everything is made of matter and energy that's constantly changing form.

Logical deduction: intelligence is made of energy and matter.

Also logical deduction: energy and matter have the capacity to take the form of intelligence, and in fact they do.

But you know what? It really does not matter whether it is intelligence, or stupidity, or madness, or evil, or chaos, or something else that is causing the current state of affairs to be what it is. Something is causing our lives, the world, and the whole universe to be what they are. Out of the 7 billion human lives in the world the great majority lives in hardship. Out of the ones that have their material needs met, the majority do not know how to live happily. Whatever is causing all this suffering is not good. It has been doing what it does, for a long time, and it is not going to stop. I believe that even fortunate or privileged people at some time will eventually fall victims to the cruelty of life. That's the idea I want to convey.

Take what you like out of this, or don't take any of it. What we believe or dont believe, or what we understand or fail to understand doesn't change reality. It is what it is (unless we do something about it, of course).

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To me, denying the existence of intelligence in life, or the world, or the universe, or in energy is like denying the presence of coldness in a glass of iced tea that's full of ice.

So, intelligence exists.

We know that everything is made of matter and energy that's constantly changing form.

Logical deduction: intelligence is made of energy and matter.

Also logical deduction: energy and matter have the capacity to take the form of intelligence, and in fact they do.

But you know what? It really does not matter whether it is intelligence, or stupidity, or madness, or evil, or chaos, or something else that is causing the current state of affairs to be what it is. Something is causing our lives, the world, and the whole universe to be what they are. Out of the 7 billion human lives in the world the great majority lives in hardship. Out of the ones that have their material needs met, the majority do not know how to live happily. Whatever is causing all this suffering is not good. It has been doing what it does, for a long time, and it is not going to stop. I believe that even fortunate or privileged people at some time will eventually fall victims to the cruelty of life. That's the idea I want to convey.

Take what you like out of this, or don't take any of it. What we believe or dont believe, or what we understand or fail to understand doesn't change reality. It is what it is (unless we do something about it, of course).

Really?  Is that the only logical deduction?

Yes, life is hardship.  What causes hardship?  The vast majority is caused by ourselves.  The cause of suffering is not good?  Suffering can be very beneficial.  Suffering can be good.  Getting hung up on value judgements and emotions about situations distracts you from the actual situations.  And makes the empty claims of religion sound like they actually make sense.

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Brain dead people being revived: I have not met anyone personally. I have seen reports on the subject which testify the subjects had no brain activity whatsoever while they still experienced awareness. I believe at least some of those reports are genuine. You don't believe them. We will see...

Then they are playing fast and loose with definitions.  Brain death isn't called until at least 20 minutes of no activity, no breathing, etc.  No one has come back from that.

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I have high standards! I really do not see a good reason for me or anyone else to have to experience misery, other than "that's just the way life is". Yup, that's the way life is, and it is wrong. I don't think we should put up with it.

Then don't put up with it.  Ever look into the Four Noble Truths?

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Sitchin? Seriously? You really think we don't know about that crank?

He's not the only author on the subject. I think he is easy to understand. The point is that the ancient culture of Summer has left a written account of how human beings came to be. I think their account is true or mostly true because it is consistent with everything we know. 6,000 years ago they described the whole solar system, the various planets, asteroid field, DNA and chromosomes, aerodynamics, weapons of mass destruction/nuclear weapons, helicopters, and other scientific knowledge accurately. Humans could not obtain that knowledge on their own that at that time. The writings say that all of this knowledge was brought there by the alien people that came. I have no reason to doubt this information.

I think you want to believe this so badly, that you're ignoring the fact that cannot stand up to the slightest critical review.

[BlindedWantsToSee]

There are theories or beliefs and better theories or more accurate beliefs. I believe my theory is better because it takes into account a lot more evidence, which in my opinion is reliable/relevant, and which is dismissed by other theories or beliefs and by atheism. I think people want the best, most accurate information there is, so they can live their lives in a better way, or be happier.

So do you believe there is a significant universal set of thoughts only shared by atheists which are holding them back?  I'd be interested to hear what those are.  I don't think of atheism as informing any of my thoughts.  Rather, I am called an atheist simply because one kind of belief is missing from mine that is present for theists.

 No, I don't believe that.  theists and atheists are affected. I think it is because of early childhood indoctrination.  every society does the same.  children and adult members of the society are repeatedly told what things mean,  what they are,  what they should be, what to think,  what to believe,  over since over.  nobody is allowed to disagree with the indoctrination. As a consequence, most people cannot see certain possibilities.

Congrats on not buying the theist nonsense there is out three. I did,  for a long time,  and i regret it.  It was a waste of my youth.

Also, i just want to thank everybody for reading my post,  for your comments and questions.  even the  harsh ones.  They keep me sharp. I never meant to make any of you uncomfortable.

[Whateverist]

So do you believe there is a significant universal set of thoughts only shared by atheists which are holding them back?  I'd be interested to hear what those are.  I don't think of atheism as informing any of my thoughts.  Rather, I am called an atheist simply because one kind of belief is missing from mine that is present for theists.

 No, I don't believe that.  theists and atheists are affected. I think it is because of early childhood indoctrination.  every society does the same.  children and adult members of the society are repeatedly told what things mean,  what they are,  what they should be, what to think,  what to believe,  over since over.  nobody is allowed to disagree with the indoctrination. As a consequence, most people cannot see certain possibilities.

Congrats on not buying the theist nonsense there is out three. I did,  for a long time,  and i regret it.  It was a waste of my youth.

Also, i just want to thank everybody for reading my post,  for your comments and questions.  even the  harsh ones.  They keep me sharp. I never meant to make any of you uncomfortable.

No worries.  It is just an oddly long OP to begin a dialogue with.  Still haven't read it but now that there is real dialogue going on it is easier to get interested in some parts.  Presumably it is about ideas and not your treatise as a whole.

[Pat Mustard]

Then why post your thoughts in an environment so clearly hostile to this sort of thinking? This forum is dedicated to the dissection of, and the dissemination of, the very thoughts you hold most dear. You spout nonsense here and you will be questioned robustly. So why us, how did you find us?

I was searching online for a forum to share what I have to say. This website happened to come up. My intentions were to offer an alternative way, my way, of interpreting or making sense of life as we know it, why, and how it came to be the way it is, and my opinion on what is the most effective way of dealing with it.  I think atheist people are rational. I think you can judge what I say in light of your own experiences. If there is anything of value to you, I hope you use it to improve your life and the world you live in. I said what I needed to say. I'm not saying anything else unless I am asked a question.

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Why would anyone want an alternative to atheist thought?

There are theories or beliefs and better theories or more accurate beliefs. I believe my theory is better because it takes into account a lot more evidence, which in my opinion is reliable/relevant, and which is dismissed by other theories or beliefs and by atheism. I think people want the best, most accurate information there is, so they can live their lives in a better way, or be happier.

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You do realise that coldness isn't a thing, but rather a privative, a word used to reify an absence of a thing, I hope.

Alright, it is not a thing; but it is something that exists or happens, and impacts life. I mean it does not matter whether coldness is a thing or not; if you or I were to be left naked in the waters of the antarctic, we would freeze just the same. Let's try to catch the ideas behind the words....

Hey idiot, if X is not a thing then it doesn't exist. Heat is simply an energy emission from atoms interacting with each other, the more energetic the interactions the more heat, the less energetic the interactions the less heat. What we call cold is relatively low levels of heat energy emissions.

[Mr.wizard]

How can you say you want offer an alternative view of life to atheists? How do you know what atheists view of life are, in the first place? They only alternative to Atheism is Theism, so unless your planning on pulling a God out of your pocket I don't think there is much to discuss.

[Astonished]

How can you say you want offer an alternative view of life to atheists? How do you know what atheists view of life are, in the first place? They only alternative to Atheism is Theism, so unless your planning on pulling a God out of your pocket I don't think there is much to discuss.

I know you probably didn't waste your time even skimming his bullshit chapter descriptions, but based on those descriptions, it's scarcely distinguishable from theism, so technically it is that.

[Mr.wizard]

How can you say you want offer an alternative view of life to atheists? How do you know what atheists view of life are, in the first place? They only alternative to Atheism is Theism, so unless your planning on pulling a God out of your pocket I don't think there is much to discuss.

I know you probably didn't waste your time even skimming his bullshit chapter descriptions, but based on those descriptions, it's scarcely distinguishable from theism, so technically it is that.

Your right I did not read all of that, I just saw him saying that he was just here to give atheists an alternative view of life.