An alternative to atheist thought

[BlindedWantsToSee]

No, it's not.  What you are calling understanding is mere acceptance.  And what you're calling reasoning is rationalization.  And hindrance we have added to our reasoning and understand has been primarily provided by myths such as religion.

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You seem to be a kind person.   I'm doing OK in every sense, according to normal standards. Thanks.

I believe my concept is rooted in facts. A spirit is the non-physical portion of a person,  his or her consciousness. That's a fact. Evil is the cause of pain and suffering. We know everybody suffers.  That's a fact. I don't believe in God; however,  there has to be a primordial source in the universe.  You and I have sources:  Our parents.  They had sources,  which each also had a source.  These are all facts.  Let's go back 4 billions years: something produced the earth, and the earth became the source of all life on the planet.  So the earth has a source and is a source also.  Let's go back all the way;  something gave rise to the first source of the material universe:  The Source of all sources.  This is a fact, not religious.  The 1st cause (the one that preceded all of the other causes and effects)  (think of the domino effect) has produced disgusting results,  which we see and experience today. I know to most people it's no problem,  but I don't believe it's right.

You know, it's easy to notice and interact with matter.  Non-material things are more difficult to perceive,  but don't make the mistake of believing  they do not exist.  It would be similar to claiming viruses or bacteria don't exist because we can't see them. I'm not talking about mysticism. There are thousands of cases of brief clinical deaths, where the people that were resuscitated report having experiences outside of their bodies,
This while their brains  and hearts were dead.   This is a fact. Concepts,  ideas,  feelings,  thoughts, awareness,  and the like are non-physical and very important to us.  This is a fact.  Religions lie and blind people.   They seek to control people. Believe me,  I'm not religious.

You're throwing around the word "fact" pretty loosely. It is not a fact there is a primordial source in the universe.  It is not a fact there was a first cause.

Bacteria can be seen. NDEs are crap.  No one has been brought back from being brain dead.

You may say you're not religious, but practically everything you've written is religious, in the broad definition.

Maybe you don't believe in the Big Bang theory. I'm not going to argue that one. It does not matter though, because the essence of everything that exists (energy? consciousness? life?), whatever it is, that's what I'm talking about.

Brain dead people being revived: I have not met anyone personally. I have seen reports on the subject which testify the subjects had no brain activity whatsoever while they still experienced awareness. I believe at least some of those reports are genuine. You don't believe them. We will see...

You are probably right about my topics and terminology being somewhat religious. I really wrote this article for religious people (my family), in their terms. But I know for a fact that all religions lie and seek to control and profit from people, to their detriment. This is disgusting to me.

[Succubus]

...Brain dead people being revived: I have not met anyone personally. I have seen reports on the subject which testify the subjects had no brain activity whatsoever while they still experienced awareness. I believe at least some of those reports are genuine. You don't believe them. We will see...

Then why post your thoughts in an environment so clearly hostile to this sort of thinking? This forum is dedicated to the dissection of, and the dissemination of, the very thoughts you hold most dear. You spout nonsense here and you will be questioned robustly. So why us, how did you find us?

[BlindedWantsToSee]

To me, denying the existence of intelligence in life, or the world, or the universe, or in energy is like denying the presence of coldness in a glass of iced tea that's full of ice.

So, intelligence exists.

We know that everything is made of matter and energy that's constantly changing form.

Logical deduction: intelligence is made of energy and matter.

Also logical deduction: energy and matter have the capacity to take the form of intelligence, and in fact they do.

But you know what? It really does not matter whether it is intelligence, or stupidity, or madness, or evil, or chaos, or something else that is causing the current state of affairs to be what it is. Something is causing our lives, the world, and the whole universe to be what they are. Out of the 7 billion human lives in the world the great majority lives in hardship. Out of the ones that have their material needs met, the majority do not know how to live happily. Whatever is causing all this suffering is not good. It has been doing what it does, for a long time, and it is not going to stop. I believe that even fortunate or privileged people at some time will eventually fall victims to the cruelty of life. That's the idea I want to convey.

Take what you like out of this, or don't take any of it. What we believe or dont believe, or what we understand or fail to understand doesn't change reality. It is what it is (unless we do something about it, of course).

Seems to me it's as if you expect life to be bliss or something. Again, perhaps from being taught about heaven earlier in life? Yes life is not fair or ideal or perfect, but mass suicide? Really? Isn't that more like running away from the problem instead of trying to fix it? Also I don't see how this is on the universal scale. This is small scale earthly life you're talking about. So why is all the energy in the entire universe intelligent and evil or sick or psychotic? Those are just human conditions and words.

Religion tends to put humanity as the centre of the universe and the special children that deserve eternal happiness. You are sort of doing that in your theory. If we didnt have to eat animals or plants would you be ok? If we were to eat rocks for example? Just curious.

I have high standards! I really do not see a good reason for me or anyone else to have to experience misery, other than "that's just the way life is". Yup, that's the way life is, and it is wrong. I don't think we should put up with it.

Mass suicide, nope! I'm only trying to help those who have no reason to stick around, to leave their misery or the meaninglessness of their lives behind. It's OK if they do. I've seen much unnecessary suffering in my lifetime. I have compassion, and I am trying to reduce this. If everybody wants to commit mass suicide, honestly, I think they would be better off, but there are other things to try. I don't believe any other solution will be effective though. it makes no difference to me what people do, only to them. When I am ready to go, I will go, and I will not come back. Nothing will matter to me. Yeah, yeah, you don't believe in reincarnation, but I have seen and heard convincing testimony. I think is a decision we make at some point. We will see...

There is nothing we can do to fix the problem. The problem is bigger and stronger than all of us put together. All of recorded history gives testimony of that. Again, we will see....

You probably don't believe in life in other planets, and I am not trying to convince you, but I am just telling you that there is much evidence that indicates there is life in other parts of the universe, and that they have the same problems we do. The Sumerians, over 6,000 years ago, wrote an account of beings from another planet that came to earth, set up shop, genetically engineered human beings to serve as their slaves, took most of the gold from earth, and left; leaving their hybrid offspring to rule over humanity. If you are interested, get a hold of "The Lost Book of Enki" by Zechariah Sitchin.

I would not like anybody, thing, animal, or anything else to eat me. I believe it would be wrong because it would hurt me, or it would take from me what is mine only. I believe that the same holds true for all other sentient beings and all other life. So, yes, I would feel better if I did not have to take/destroy/eat a life that does not belong to me so that I can sustain my own. This is disgusting to me. It is what it is, until we do something about it...

[Cyberman]

Sitchin? Seriously? You really think we don't know about that crank?

[BlindedWantsToSee]

Sitchin? Seriously? You really think we don't know about that crank?

He's not the only author on the subject. I think he is easy to understand. The point is that the ancient culture of Summer has left a written account of how human beings came to be. I think their account is true or mostly true because it is consistent with everything we know. 6,000 years ago they described the whole solar system, the various planets, asteroid field, DNA and chromosomes, aerodynamics, weapons of mass destruction/nuclear weapons, helicopters, and other scientific knowledge accurately. Humans could not obtain that knowledge on their own that at that time. The writings say that all of this knowledge was brought there by the alien people that came. I have no reason to doubt this information.

[Astonished]

To me, denying the existence of intelligence in life, or the world, or the universe, or in energy is like denying the presence of coldness in a glass of iced tea that's full of ice.

So, intelligence exists.

Well, that's your opinion, doesn't make it fact. It's actually quite STUPID to conclude what you have if you study fucking science, and I'm getting sick of this bullshit you're spouting like it's a matter of fact. Even if you could conclude that there's any of that trash out there in the ether, that you could then go on to claim you know its mind or will, is WAY overstepping your fucking bounds, kiddo. So get the fuck off your high horse, pull your pants back up and give the grown-ups back the megaphone you stole so you could try to make people hear you like you had anything important to say.

[GUBU]

To me, denying the existence of intelligence in life, or the world, or the universe, or in energy is like denying the presence of coldness in a glass of iced tea that's full of ice.

You do realise that coldness isn't a thing, but rather a privative, a word used to reify an absence of a thing, I hope.

[c172]

Wow, that first page was tiring. I feel like it's high school English class and I haven't kept up with A Catcher in the Rye. Bad memories, man.

[Whateverist]

Why would anyone want an alternative to atheist thought?

[SaStrike]

Seems to me it's as if you expect life to be bliss or something. Again, perhaps from being taught about heaven earlier in life? Yes life is not fair or ideal or perfect, but mass suicide? Really? Isn't that more like running away from the problem instead of trying to fix it? Also I don't see how this is on the universal scale. This is small scale earthly life you're talking about. So why is all the energy in the entire universe intelligent and evil or sick or psychotic? Those are just human conditions and words.

Religion tends to put humanity as the centre of the universe and the special children that deserve eternal happiness. You are sort of doing that in your theory. If we didnt have to eat animals or plants would you be ok? If we were to eat rocks for example? Just curious.

I have high standards! I really do not see a good reason for me or anyone else to have to experience misery, other than "that's just the way life is". Yup, that's the way life is, and it is wrong. I don't think we should put up with it.

Mass suicide, nope! I'm only trying to help those who have no reason to stick around, to leave their misery or the meaninglessness of their lives behind. It's OK if they do. I've seen much unnecessary suffering in my lifetime. I have compassion, and I am trying to reduce this. If everybody wants to commit mass suicide, honestly, I think they would be better off, but there are other things to try. I don't believe any other solution will be effective though. it makes no difference to me what people do, only to them. When I am ready to go, I will go, and I will not come back. Nothing will matter to me. Yeah, yeah, you don't believe in reincarnation, but I have seen and heard convincing testimony. I think is a decision we make at some point. We will see...

There is nothing we can do to fix the problem. The problem is bigger and stronger than all of us put together. All of recorded history gives testimony of that. Again, we will see....

You probably don't believe in life in other planets, and I am not trying to convince you, but I am just telling you that there is much evidence that indicates there is life in other parts of the universe, and that they have the same problems we do. The Sumerians, over 6,000 years ago, wrote an account of beings from another planet that came to earth, set up shop, genetically engineered human beings to serve as their slaves, took most of the gold from earth, and left; leaving their hybrid offspring to rule over humanity. If you are interested, get a hold of "The Lost Book of Enki" by Zechariah Sitchin.

I would not like anybody, thing, animal, or anything else to eat me. I believe it would be wrong because it would hurt me, or it would take from me what is mine only. I believe that the same holds true for all other sentient beings and all other life. So, yes, I would feel better if I did not have to take/destroy/eat a life that does not belong to me so that I can sustain my own. This is disgusting to me. It is what it is, until we do something about it...

I cant convince you to live your life, reality is just too harsh for some, I get that (not sure if it's politically correct to respect your decision for suicide lol)  

Anyway, no we wont get to see (regarding reincarnation). Because if it's true we would have most likely been through it multiple times already, still no proof. So we cant see and will never know, so it becomes irrelevant unfortunately.

I do believe in life on other planets. Not the aliens you mentioned that created humans, but the unknown type, you know, like a random mosquito species on some random planet for example. But those are just beliefs and cannot be proven at the moment. It's most likely though. Not really relevant for now.