The universe is just one enormous 'Soul Filtering machine'

[LastPoet]

Two points. 

1. I believe (with Biblical support) that if someone has not heard of Jesus Christ and been given a chance to respond, then he will judge them on the basis of their response to what was provided them.

I was hoping that by now, you would have understood that biblical support means jack shit around here. That horse is dead to the bone.

[Harry Nevis]

How do you calculate the probability of what an infinitely knowing and powerful entity can do?

Because creating people and orchestrating circumstances where everyone always FREELY chooses good seems actually impossible to do. Simon's reasoning depends on it being actually possible.

Wow. Seems actually impossible.  No wriggle room there.

[Minimalist]

Two points. 

1. I believe (with Biblical support) that if someone has not heard of Jesus Christ and been given a chance to respond, then he will judge them on the basis of their response to what was provided them.

I was hoping that by now, you would have understood that biblical support means jack shit around here. That horse is dead to the bone.

They never get it LP.

[JackRussell]

I believe (with Biblical support)

In other words, pulled out of your ass.

Good God, are we going to redo special pleading.

[SteveII]

Two points. 

1. I believe (with Biblical support) that if someone has not heard of Jesus Christ and been given a chance to respond, then he will judge them on the basis of their response to what was provided them.

I was hoping that by now, you would have understood that biblical support means jack shit around here. That horse is dead to the bone.

Your reply adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. The whole OP outlines beliefs only found in the Bible and then when I reply to a specific point, also referencing the Bible...?

[Minimalist]

In other words, pulled out of your ass.

Good God, are we going to redo special pleading.

So it seems.

[Angrboda]

How do you calculate the probability of what an infinitely knowing and powerful entity can do?

Because creating people and orchestrating circumstances where everyone always FREELY chooses good seems actually impossible to do. Simon's reasoning depends on it being actually possible.

Since you're neither omniscient nor omnipotent, I find your speculation and assertions woefully uninformed.

[Simon Moon]

All the while, he fails the other billions of his creation all over the world, to inform them of this important message, allowing them to follow their 'invented religions' only to assure their failure to pass his 'Soul Filter'. And he does this, knowing in advance, that his rules will assure it will happen. [1]

Why didn't this god create all the souls he wanted to spend eternity with in the first place? After all, he knows exactly which souls are going to make it though his filtering machine in the first place. Supposedly he knew this before he even created the universe. [2]

Two points. 

1. I believe (with Biblical support) that if someone has not heard of Jesus Christ and been given a chance to respond, then he will judge them on the basis of their response to what was provided them.

Then, doesn't it seem unfair, to cultures that have never heard of Jesus, to send missionaries to tell them? Seems to me, they are better off not knowing, so they won't be judged on whether they believe or not.

2. It is entirely probable that even with infinite knowledge and power, it is simply not possible to create only people who would freely always choose good. So, given free will, the choices God had was to create no one or a world in which many would not freely choose good.

So then, don't create people at all. Just create the souls he wants to spend eternity with in the first place. Instead of creating a situation that assures, that some high percentage of your creation will not make it through the Soul Filtering device.

Is there free will in Heaven?

[SteveII]

Because creating people and orchestrating circumstances where everyone always FREELY chooses good seems actually impossible to do. Simon's reasoning depends on it being actually possible.

Since you're neither omniscient nor omnipotent, I find your speculation and assertions woefully uninformed.

Clever. However, Simon would need to show that it is plausibly actually possible for his objection to carry any weight. I don't think that is something he or you can do. Omnipotence does not mean the ability to do things that are not possible, especially not within the context of a overriding goal: free will.

[Simon Moon]

Since you're neither omniscient nor omnipotent, I find your speculation and assertions woefully uninformed.

Clever. However, Simon would need to show that it is plausibly actually possible for his objection to carry any weight. I don't think that is something he or you can do. Omnipotence does not mean the ability to do things that are not possible, especially not within the context of a overriding goal: free will.

It sure seems like omnipotence gets more and more, shall we say, impotent, as more and more objections are raised.


Again I ask, is there free will in Heaven?