Reasoning showing homosexuality is evil.

[c172]

I'm sorry, but your denial, will not make the reasons I provided do away with the reasons I provided.

That was a very interesting sentence. Not sure about the rest of the thread, as I haven't read through it. But congrats on that sentence, whatever it even means.

[Mystic]

It just means saying it makes no sense, doesn't actually make what I stated, make no sense.

Denial is just that, denial of the person. Until they show they understand the other person and refute their actual reasoning, without creating a false argument out of it, and giving it proper due thought, then there is no room for discussion.

[Silver]

I did in my view, and so until you show you understood my argument and then say why it is wrong, there is no room to proceed.

God does not exist. I don't need any seriously ignorant references to how god views homosexuality. If you want to argue from the point of view of god, first prove that god exists. Otherwise, you're just wasting time on both our parts.

Now, stop being so damned stupid and inform me from your own personal point of view why homosexuality is wrong or evil or whatever pejorative you wish to use.

[Mystic]

I did in my view, and so until you show you understood my argument and then say why it is wrong, there is no room to proceed.

God does not exist.  I don't need any seriously ignorant references to how god views homosexuality.  If you want to argue from the point of view of god, first prove that god exists.  Otherwise, you're just wasting time on both our parts.

Now, stop being so damned stupid and inform me from your own personal point of view why homosexuality is wrong or evil or whatever pejorative you wish to use.

The reasoning didn't involve scripture or god. It has two major basis:

1) We are to forge who we are according to what is more upright and more beautiful inwardly.
2) We aren't to forfeit our willpower and control to chaos.

The only time I mentioned God was to say I believe disbelieving in God or following other then his guidance or equating in value to him others, is all of the greatest evils.

In other words, I am not singling out homosexuals for this, it is true of all people who do this, who give into the chaos of winds and don't firmly resolutely forge their destiny.

It applies to me even to a greater extent, because of my giving up my sanity to irrational whispers and dark inspirations.

[Silver]

The reasoning didn't involve scripture or god. It has two major basis:

1) We are to forge who we are according to what is more upright and more beautiful inwardly.
2) We aren't to forfeit our willpower and control to chaos.

The only time I mentioned God was to say I believe disbelieving in God or following other then his guidance or equating in value to him others, is all of the greatest evils.

In other words, I am not singling out homosexuals for this, it is true of all people who do this, who give into the chaos of winds and don't firmly resolutely forge their destiny.

It applies to me even to a greater extent, because of my giving up my sanity to irrational whispers and dark inspirations.

So basically, there's nothing wrong with homosexuality.

1) Gay people forge who they are according to what is more upright and more beautiful inwardly.
2) Gay people don't forfeit their willpower and control to chaos in being gay.

[Mystic]

The reasoning didn't involve scripture or god. It has two major basis:

1) We are to forge who we are according to what is more upright and more beautiful inwardly.
2) We aren't to forfeit our willpower and control to chaos.

The only time I mentioned God was to say I believe disbelieving in God or following other then his guidance or equating in value to him others, is all of the greatest evils.

In other words, I am not singling out homosexuals for this, it is true of all people who do this, who give into the chaos of winds and don't firmly resolutely forge their destiny.

It applies to me even to a greater extent, because of my giving up my sanity to irrational whispers and dark inspirations.

So basically, there's nothing wrong with homosexuality.

1) Gay people forge who they are according to what is more upright and more beautiful inwardly.
2) Gay people don't forfeit their willpower and control to chaos in being gay.

If you want the elaboration of why Gay people give up these two things, read the previous post to the one you quoted right now. The previous one was the argument, while this one was summarizing the foundations of that argument without elaboration.

So this time show some reading comprehension and try to refute my actual argument.

[Silver]

If you want the elaboration of why Gay people give up these two things, read the previous post to the one you quoted right now. The previous one was the argument, while this one was summarizing the foundations of that argument without elaboration.

So this time show some reading comprehension and try to refute my actual argument.

I have a mind to put you over my knee and spank you, for there was nothing reasonable in your previous argument.

[Fireball]

I still read books.

And I wonder how old that dictionary is. You know they get updated, right?

All those definitions and variants, and only one refers to the religious aspect. PICK THAT CHERRY, boi!

[Mystic]

I don't want any bullshit scripture; what is your personal reason for disliking homosexuality?

There are many, but we have to first talk about what it means to be a human...there is two types of humans: "Man" and "Woman", and there are many different types of Men and many different types of women.

First I argue, if free-will is a factor, we all know it would be wrong to give in and change our nature we are originated upon.  This I argue we know. The question is how do we know this?

This is our knowledge of what we are. Aaron has a major definition with his brotherhood and helping position towards Moses.  He is defined with respect to Moses primarily by people.

How do we define ourselves as "Man", we do with respect to "Woman", we cannot ignore what we are to woman and what woman are to us. As far as being man, it is stupid to divorce it from your relationship to women.

Now what is a human and what is his potential. I believe unlike most things, humans are moldy, that is they can mold their nature and make it,  and if it molded in an ugly manner, it can be broken and remolded to a beautiful manner.

We will have our own trials, and will be afflicted with different evil thoughts and different goods thoughts, and have to battle it out.

The actions that are quick and fast, they have little value. What has really value is the constant behaviour, deeds with consistency whence they become habits, and whence the habits become our nature.

Our nature at the end, is the most important thing.

Now listen carefully because all the discussion is to lead to this so as to relate it to homosexuality:

If we are made by passing of winds without out control, storms just forming us, we by definition are forfeiting our power to forge our souls, and giving into winds which are chaotic, we are giving into chaos, and are not firm in ordering our souls to according to guidance. This is exactly why I have intense guilt for my mental illness. It is not different at all from a homosexual giving into winds forming him, rather, then forging forth with reason and insight and holding on the guidance. 

In fact, I would argue my sin is much worse than that of homosexuals, but that is a different topic.

Suffice to say,  I believe disbelief in God or equating value with God or following leaders aside from those that God has chosen, are similar in evil. 

But my evil, giving up rationality and reason, and giving into dark whispers of irrationality whence I lost my sanity despite guides showing a way out, and fearing Satanic forces whence it is only Satan and irrationally that makes us fear them,  was of the deadliest falls, and biggest injustice.

But I can tell you, there is no way to reform yourself, without the first step: responsibility.

And we can see for sure man and woman is a beautiful relationship, even if homo was not ugly, it is much less beautiful then hetero and we are originated to be attracted to what is more upright and more beautiful and honorable, and so the big sin of this would be giving up ones will and letting chaos determine their inclinations and nature.

We forge our nature through will power and insight, give that up, and you become enslaved to darkness and chaos.

Anyone willing to address this argument, I don't expect anyone to agree, all I want to see is if someone can comprehend the argument.

[chimp3]

Natural, of free will, or not...homosexuality is a good thing. The world is a better place with most homosexuals doing their thing. Proud to be in a world with gay and lesbian people living in it.