Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite

[Whateverist]

So our evidence isn't good enough for you, Huggy?

That's it, then.  Until we can build a time machine and give you a full scan of human history, with no Adam and Eve, no global floods and no CruciFiction, we appear to be at an impasse.

I'm pretty sure he'll only accept a video with at least the production values of The Blair Witch Project but with above average special effects.

[Ravenshire]

Name one thing in the Bible that scientific knowledge has debunked.

Color variation in goats based on them fucking while looking at striped sticks.

[Huggy Bear]

Huggy, purebred health issues are exactly the point.  The story of Noah isn’t about him domesticating these animals and selectively breeding them to accentuate certain physical characteristics. It’s about trying to repopulate the planet of all sorts of animals with one mating pair each.  Which is absolutely ludicrous.  Inbreeding negatively impacts the survival rate.

I’ve owned several purebred dogs (German Shorthaird Pointers, all). One had regularly occurring seizures until she was fixed (seemed to be a severe hormonal imbalance). A couple others had frequent UTIs. These were not animals that would’ve been able to survive in the wild, domestication or not.  If I had to rely on them to repopulate the world’s canine population, well, it wouldn’t happen. It took human intervention and technology (far beyond Noah’s nonexistent level) to ensure they lived relatively normal lives.

A hearty stock requires several unrelated mating pairs to start with.  The more, the merrier.  Farmers have known this forever.

Also, yes, science’s self-correction is indeed a virtue.  It’s not that the truth of a thing changes, but rather our understanding of it.  Sometimes things are complicated.  Sometimes things appear to be something, when they’re actually something else.

I mean, do you even know what the scientific method is?  Why it’s structured the way it is?  It’s a process whose structure is iterative.  Each time through the loop, either precision is gained, or something new is answered/proven wrong, and the cycle starts again.  And because we’re limited creatures with limits to our technology, who may be interpreting data wrong (if we’re actually recording it properly), there’s always a margin of error.

I understand that the lack of certainty is, for whatever reason, uncomfortable to theists, but I find that emotional discomfort to simply be the symptom of a weak intellect.  There’s always a chance, even if it’s microscopic, that we’re wrong.  And that’s okay, because that’s one of the things the scientific method accounts for.  It’s why measurements and experiments are repeated, why things are peer-reviewed, why, from the outset, extraneous variables are attempted to be eliminated.

I find that infinitely more satisfying - intellectually and emotionally - than simply saying “god did it.”

*emphasis mine*

Noah DID take a larger pool of some animals, it wasn't just a "pair" across the board...

Genesis 7
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

So again, nothing is disproved.

[KevinM1]

14 animals/7 pairs still isn’t a great stock.

Of course, even that doesn’t address the other problems with the tale. But, whatever helps you sleep at night

[Huggy Bear]

So our evidence isn't good enough for you, Huggy?

That's it, then.  Until we can build a time machine and give you a full scan of human history, with no Adam and Eve, no global floods and no CruciFiction, we appear to be at an impasse.

I asked for an example of where science thoroughly proves the Bible wrong, this scenario only allows for success or failure, not an impasse.

So far no one has debunked anything, so let's move on to the "bats are not birds" statement.

For that I'll just quote a previous post of mine addressing that same issue.

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The buy-bull also puts bats with the birds.

I'm not sure i follow you on this one.

I'm sure you don't. Have you even read it that fucking book?

Leviticus 11:13-19New International Version (NIV)

13 “‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle,[a] the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

Source

I guess you forget to realize Leviticus was written in HEBREW, which the word translated from Hebrew simply means flying creatures, the short translation is fowl, in the KJV
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5775.htm

oph: flying creatures
Original Word: עוֹף
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: oph
Phonetic Spelling: (ofe)
Short Definition: birds

The passage as it is translated word-for-word from hebrew
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInter.../lev11.pdf

and·»these you-shall-abominate from-the·flyer not they-shall-be-eaten abomination they the·vulture and·» the·lammergeier and·» the·eagle

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[Astreja]

So far no one has debunked anything...

From my perspective, a lot of things have been debunked so far.  As I said, we're at an impasse:   We have wildly different standards regarding what qualifies as falsification of a Bible verse, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

[Fake Messiah]

I asked for an example of where science thoroughly proves the Bible wrong, this scenario only allows for success or failure, not an impasse.

So far no one has debunked anything,

lol, then tell me when did this happen?

Jeremiah 49:33
And Hazor shall be a dwelling for dragons, and a desolation for ever: there shall no man abide there, nor any son of man dwell in it.

or this

Jeremiah 9:11
And I will make Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant.

Or why don't you go looking for Garden of Eden since you clearly believe it is a geographical fact? You know guarded by angels and firewall.

[ignoramus]

Huggy wrote:
Truth needs no self-correction, what is true will ALWAYS remain true.

Matey, that's all you had to say. I get it... No arguments here...

[Amarok]

So after all that waiting and us debunking all his shit all we get is denials . Why am i not surprised .

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14 animals is no were near enough to create a healthy sustainable populous

[I_am_not_mafia]

That ark just keeps needing to get bigger ...