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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
January 13, 2018 at 5:52 pm
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(December 10, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (December 10, 2017 at 8:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Going to premise 1. If premise 1 is true, than it's conclusion is proven.
That is "If moral facts exist, then morality is real".
That itself is a moral fact, if it were true, than it would be true that morality is true.
Since people agreed on 1 and you agreed on it, than there is no point of changing your mind. Go with what you initially know because everyone can in their rebellion against submitting to God deny every premise.
Other Atheists agreed 1 was logical as well but disagreed on premise 2.
But premise one contains a secret weapon, it is a moral fact itself!
Premise one is a fact about morality, not itself a moral fact, you dumbass.
And Wallym and I agreed if morality was not real, nothing would be known about it in reality, it would just be make up as you go thing.
So I am talking about moral facts from that perspective. Aside from that, right beliefs about morality are part of morality, even what it is, and in fact, I argue what morality is, what exactly it is, is the most important thing to recognize "who doesn't recognize the leader of their time, will die the death of ignorance" - our beloved Prophet and Master and Spiritual Doctor Mohammad. Recognizing it for what is and the connection to what and from what, is the most important thing.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
January 13, 2018 at 7:42 pm
(January 13, 2018 at 5:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (December 10, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Premise one is a fact about morality, not itself a moral fact, you dumbass.
And Wallym and I agreed if morality was not real, nothing would be known about it in reality, it would just be make up as you go thing.
So I am talking about moral facts from that perspective. Aside from that, right beliefs about morality are part of morality, even what it is, and in fact, I argue what morality is, what exactly it is, is the most important thing to recognize "who doesn't recognize the leader of their time, will die the death of ignorance" - our beloved Prophet and Master and Spiritual Doctor Mohammad. Recognizing it for what is and the connection to what and from what, is the most important thing.
All that you've proven is that you don't know what a moral fact is. Idiot.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
January 13, 2018 at 7:46 pm
The greatest sin is not recognizing morality for what is in it's essence which the leader and mystic link that connects us to God (may God bless him and his predecessors, and hasten his relief).
And aside from that, I was talking from an angle that both Wallym and I agreed upon.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
January 14, 2018 at 8:17 am
(January 13, 2018 at 7:46 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The greatest sin is not recognizing morality for what is in it's essence which the leader and mystic link that connects us to God (may God bless him and his predecessors, and hasten his relief).
And aside from that, I was talking from an angle that both Wallym and I agreed upon.
Oh yeah, sin of what exactly? So what are we losing for not recognizing this "mystical link"? Would you act less moral if you didn't believe that morality is the link to god?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
January 18, 2018 at 2:14 pm
Nope there is probably no sin even if a god exists
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
January 18, 2018 at 2:47 pm
(January 13, 2018 at 7:46 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The greatest sin is not recognizing morality for what is in it's essence which the leader and mystic link that connects us to God (may God bless him and his predecessors, and hasten his relief).
And aside from that, I was talking from an angle that both Wallym and I agreed upon.
My word MK, your posts have increased in gibberish since you started here; it's truly sorry to see.
As a person you seem kind; as a thinker you have become increasingly incoherent and prone to diatribe.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
January 20, 2018 at 5:59 pm
(January 14, 2018 at 8:17 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (January 13, 2018 at 7:46 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The greatest sin is not recognizing morality for what is in it's essence which the leader and mystic link that connects us to God (may God bless him and his predecessors, and hasten his relief).
And aside from that, I was talking from an angle that both Wallym and I agreed upon.
Oh yeah, sin of what exactly? So what are we losing for not recognizing this "mystical link"? Would you act less moral if you didn't believe that morality is the link to god?
The reality of what love truly is ought to loved and valued by love.
You deny what it is, and you deny all that it proves, and it proves everything for what it truly is and defines them as they are, for it is the true judgment and it values the truth and the truth seeker, for the truth seeker is the genuine real human, not the gibberish shadows people hold on to and let themselves be deceived by.
And yes if you deny the link to God, you are by definition "less moral" but not only that, but the height of evil is denying the holy spirit and disbelieving in the mystic link that connects us all, that leader and guide.
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
January 21, 2018 at 2:46 am
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RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
January 21, 2018 at 2:56 am
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(January 20, 2018 at 5:59 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (January 14, 2018 at 8:17 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Oh yeah, sin of what exactly? So what are we losing for not recognizing this "mystical link"? Would you act less moral if you didn't believe that morality is the link to god?
The reality of what love truly is ought to loved and valued by love.
You deny what it is, and you deny all that it proves, and it proves everything for what it truly is and defines them as they are, for it is the true judgment and it values the truth and the truth seeker, for the truth seeker is the genuine real human, not the gibberish shadows people hold on to and let themselves be deceived by.
And yes if you deny the link to God, you are by definition "less moral" but not only that, but the height of evil is denying the holy spirit and disbelieving in the mystic link that connects us all, that leader and guide. That is plainly nonsense. Do I "deny" any god? Nope. No god has been demonstrated to exist.
Were anyone to wander along and demonstrate that their particular deity existed, sure I would believe in it. To date, nobody has. Why is that?
(January 13, 2018 at 7:46 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The greatest sin is not recognizing morality for what is in it's essence which the leader and mystic link that connects us to God (may God bless him and his predecessors, and hasten his relief).
And aside from that, I was talking from an angle that both Wallym and I agreed upon.
I don't think that you realise what you have claimed.
You have claimed that you are a genocidal, murdering rapist by nature and that the only thing stopping you from indulging your true nature is a sky daddy that does not exist.
Are you sure you want to claim that? Really?
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