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RE: CNN: No one cares about Russia
January 23, 2018 at 3:36 pm
(January 23, 2018 at 3:28 pm)alpha male Wrote: (January 23, 2018 at 3:22 pm)Tiberius Wrote: There have been 4 federal indictments so far.
What exactly do you count as "serious"?
Indictments worth remembering. Like on Trump or his family, and for actual collusion with Russia. If they were serious and on point, you probably would have given details, instead of just giving a number.
So if you can't remember them, they aren't serious enough? Wow. Even if that's how you judge seriousness, I highly doubt you don't remember at least two of them, namely the indictments for Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort, and his former national security advisor Michael Flynn. The others were Rick Gates (a business partner of Manafort), and George Papadopoulos (a foreign policy advisor for Trump).
In case you still need a memory jog, here are what the indictments are about:
Michael Flynn - for lying to the FBI about conversations with Russia's ambassador. Note - he's already pleaded guilty.
Paul Manafort - there was 12 counts, including conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading US Foreign Agents Registration Act statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts. Note - the foreign principal is Ukraine, where he performed lobbying for pro-Russian interests.
Rick Gates - same as the above
George Papadopoulos - for making a false statement to the FBI after he lied about his interactions with foreign nationals, including two Russians, with ties to the Russian government.
I dunno about you, but I think lying to the FBI and "conspiracy against the United States" are both pretty fucking serious.
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RE: CNN: No one cares about Russia
January 23, 2018 at 3:37 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/w...index.html
Quote:Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty in December to lying to the FBI about conversations with Russia's ambassador.
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The charges against Manafort and Gates are unrelated to the Trump campaign, though it's possible Mueller could add additional charges.
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The former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser (George Papadopolous) pleaded guilty in October to making a false statement to the FBI after he lied about his interactions with foreign nationals, including two Russians, with ties to the Russian government.
Like I said - underwhelming.
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RE: CNN: No one cares about Russia
January 23, 2018 at 3:38 pm
We get it, Alpha..unless the emperor and his family are marched up to the stockades in chains you're going to insist that there was no there, there...and on the off chance they do, I'm certain that you'll be screaming BIASSSSS!!!!
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RE: CNN: No one cares about Russia
January 23, 2018 at 3:41 pm
(January 23, 2018 at 3:36 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I dunno about you, but I think lying to the FBI and "conspiracy against the United States" are both pretty fucking serious.
Lying to the FBI about something that wasn't a crime in itself is in no way serious to Trump, and as the CNN link I gave above notes, the other charges were unrelated to the Trump campaign.
That's why people can't remember them. They're nothingburgers.
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RE: CNN: No one cares about Russia
January 23, 2018 at 3:42 pm
(January 23, 2018 at 3:36 pm)wallym Wrote: Oh yeah, the email hacks. That was a big one. But the way the emails affected our elections was by exposing that the DNC was undermining our democracy. Is our democracy more democratic if the fact the DNC was undermining our democracy was kept secret? Maybe Russia was making our democracy better, and we should be thanking them?
I make the jokes, but I assume we interfere in every russian election, and that russia interferes in every American election. And you can toss China into that meddling as well. That's just how the world works.
Just because the world works that way doesn't mean it should. If we interfere with Russian elections, we should stop. We should fortify ourselves against foreign election tampering and interference as well. The US election should be a democratic process for US citizens, not any foreign power.
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RE: CNN: No one cares about Russia
January 23, 2018 at 3:43 pm
That’s a pathological kind of denial right there, Alpha.
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RE: CNN: No one cares about Russia
January 23, 2018 at 3:43 pm
(January 23, 2018 at 3:16 pm)Tiberius Wrote: The DNC got hacked, the RNC likely got hacked. Emails got leaked, there were meetings between Russians and the Trump campaign. Trump might have more business ties to Russia than he admits to. Several members of the Trump campaign have been accused of being foreign agents working for Russian interests. There's a lot of stuff being investigated.
Most people are far more concerned with the behavior of the DNC, than with the source of the leaks.
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RE: CNN: No one cares about Russia
January 23, 2018 at 3:44 pm
(January 23, 2018 at 3:38 pm)Khemikal Wrote: We get it, Alpha..unless the emperor and his family are marched up to the stockades in chains you're going to insist that there was no there, there...and on the off chance they do, I'm certain that you'll be screaming BIASSSSS!!!!
. . . as opposed to his likely reaction if we were playing the 'what if Obama and his team had done these things' game. Then it would be torches and pitchforks all around.
Our resident Trumpeteers are welcome to return to this topic in, say, 12 months. I'll be curious to see their responses then.
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RE: CNN: No one cares about Russia
January 23, 2018 at 3:45 pm
(This post was last modified: January 23, 2018 at 3:46 pm by Joods.)
Most people are concerned with the president's twitter tantrums, bigotry, misogyny and outright insults towards the allies of the US. NONE of that has anything to do with the DNC.
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RE: CNN: No one cares about Russia
January 23, 2018 at 3:45 pm
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(January 23, 2018 at 3:36 pm)wallym Wrote: Oh yeah, the email hacks. That was a big one. But the way the emails affected our elections was by exposing that the DNC was undermining our democracy. Is our democracy more democratic if the fact the DNC was undermining our democracy was kept secret? Maybe Russia was making our democracy better, and we should be thanking them?
I make the jokes, but I assume we interfere in every russian election, and that russia interferes in every American election. And you can toss China into that meddling as well. That's just how the world works.
What a wonderful example. The way that "the emails" affected our elections was by being used to make you think.. what you just said...right up there, despite that not being in those emails.
-and now you're asking if we should thank russia for making america great again.
It seems, to me, in spite of your protestations...that the desinformatsiya campaign was highly effective.
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