A problem with the word "atheist"

[Huggy Bear]

There's just one problem, you can't say for certain that God doesn't exist so if in fact God does exist the you become the epitome of a "dumbf*ck".

It's more like you can't prove that Santa doesn't exist and since belief in Santa smacks of the same sort of superstitious nonsense you can claim god too as no longer credible.

There is a cumulative case to be made for Santa's non-existence. You reason that if Santa did exist then it would be rational for you to expect a lot of evidence to turn up that in fact never has turned up. If Santa exists then it generates a whole lot of reasonable expectations all of which are unfulfilled, like that he would leave sooty footprints as he made his way from the chimney to your bedside; that someone would have actually seen him careering across the sky behind his reindeer fast enough to visit, and spend a little time with, every child in the world in the space of a single evening; you would expect someone to be able to give you a plausible account of how he could break the laws of physics in this way. And so on.

These kinds of evidential considerations, atheists regard, are much more powerful than any to do with simple lack of evidence.

Here my position on the belief in Santa... I don't care, not a day goes by where I wonder if Santa exists, there isn't one discussion forum I belong to identifying with my non-belief in Santa. So were really not talking about anything remotely similar are we?

If someone chose to believe Santa existed than good for them, and even IF Santa DID exist what bering does that have on where I end up after I die? So if Santa existed he still be a non issue. My only concern personally is my eternal soul and 'I don't know' may be enough for you, but not me.

[Cyberman]

Dawkins suggested atheists call themselves "brights". Which, to me, is a stupid idea.

I suggest we use "not dumbfucks".

There's just one problem, you can't say for certain that God doesn't exist so if in fact God does exist the you become the epitome of a "dumbf*ck".

Right, so let's get past that hurdle first. Then we can start passing judgements. Cart/horse, remember?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And you have evidence that any god or gods exist? So far you haven't presented any.

Wrong once again fool.  

Real people, real accident, real hospitals, real doctors, real death, real experiences with God, real coming back from death, real witnesses, real atheists and real people who never thought about it and now are 100% theists.
If that is not evidence then you are a total fool.  

https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/exceptional.html

Still a dumbass, aren't you Little Dik? 

There's evidence, bad evidence, and evidence for any god or gods, in descending order. Then we get down to pond scum. Then to what the pond scum shits out. Then you.

[Fake Messiah]

Here my position on the belief in Santa... I don't care, not a day goes by where I wonder if Santa exists, there isn't one discussion forum I belong to identifying with my non-belief in Santa. So were really not talking about anything remotely similar are we?

We were not actually talking about Santa, but about argument you brought up and that is that we can't dismiss god because god can't be disproved and then I used Santa as an example. I could have used Tooth-fairy or garden gnomes. Santa is not the issue but the fact that we can dismiss stuff that can't be proven not to exist as you diss Santa although you probably believed in him in your childhood.
I would not dream of asking you to prove, in either of the foregoing senses, that Santa doesn’t exist. Nevertheless you don’t believe in Santa and you think your non-belief is justified. The existence of Santa, you might say, is not impossible, but it is wildly improbable. The same is with atheists and god when the argument of "god can't be disproved not to exist" - do you get it now?

Now you are saying that you want to believe in god because you want to live forever and wishing something is not an argument that it exists. Also then you don't know which god to bow because other gods, if it turns out they're real will punish you.

Wrong once again fool.  

Real people, real accident, real hospitals, real doctors, real death, real experiences with God, real coming back from death, real witnesses, real atheists and real people who never thought about it and now are 100% theists.
If that is not evidence then you are a total fool.  

https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/exceptional.html

Listen to me LR why do you bring that page as some sort of evidence for NDE? It is a web page that anyone can come and write a story they had an NDE, I could go and write some fake story. Is it because it's run by some doctor? So what? Medical degree unfortunately doesn't guarantee that that person won't be a quack. For instance Dr. Oz "practices" Reiki or there is another doctor called Dr. Stephen Greer who gathers around himself UFO people and claims he is in touch with aliens so does that mean that you believe in aliens visiting Earth? Should we all believe in it?
When it comes to so called NDEs there was some research in it like Richard Feynman in those water tanks concluded that people can hallucinate that they leave their bodies. Other thing is that some prominent people were dead like James Randi and probably even Stephen Hawking and they never saw anything.
Now we here don't claim we know 100% there is no afterlife but some stupid web page will not convince us; just as Dr. Oz will not convince us Reiki works or Greer that aliens are here.

[RoadRunner79]

He's just saying that the evidence for both Santa and god is equally poor.

Exactly, Santa is also a being that you can't prove does not exist and yet RR and most of people on this forum (including theists) don't believe in him for the reasons I stated.

Not believing is fine (for whatever your reasons or if it is irrational)

If you are standing behind skepticism, then you are really not saying anything more than about your state of mind.... you are not making any claims about the subject in questioning as to being true or false. 

So if you are just making a statement about yourself, and not venturing into pseudo-skepticism and making claims about anything else, then Ok.
This however may not be the best way to approach conversation.... it would be like me discussing evolution and bringing up the locke ness monster.

[The Grand Nudger]

There's just one problem, you can't say for certain that God doesn't exist so if in fact God does exist the you become the epitome of a "dumbf*ck".

I say that all the time.  Watch.  I'm certain that god doesn't exist.

[Huggy Bear]

There's just one problem, you can't say for certain that God doesn't exist so if in fact God does exist the you become the epitome of a "dumbf*ck".

I say that all the time.  Watch.  I'm certain that god doesn't exist.

You say alot of things that are just flat out wrong, I'd post quotes but apparently it's considered spam/trolling/out of contex, never knew atheists were so sensitive...

Name call all you want but don't dare quote someone words back at them, because THAT's trolling

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Here my position on the belief in Santa... I don't care, not a day goes by where I wonder if Santa exists, there isn't one discussion forum I belong to identifying with my non-belief in Santa. So were really not talking about anything remotely similar are we?

We were not actually talking about Santa, but about argument you brought up and that is that we can't dismiss god because god can't be disproved and then I used Santa as an example. I could have used Tooth-fairy or garden gnomes. Santa is not the issue but the fact that we can dismiss stuff that can't be proven not to exist as you diss Santa although you probably believed in him in your childhood.
I would not dream of asking you to prove, in either of the foregoing senses, that Santa doesn’t exist. Nevertheless you don’t believe in Santa and you think your non-belief is justified. The existence of Santa, you might say, is not impossible, but it is wildly improbable. The same is with atheists and god when the argument of "god can't be disproved not to exist" - do you get it now?

Now you are saying that you want to believe in god because you want to live forever and wishing something is not an argument that it exists. Also then you don't know which god to bow because other gods, if it turns out they're real will punish you.

The thing you guys constantly refuse to consider is that we are talking about much higher dimensions, which DO exist. Imagine if you were a 2 dimensional being, how would you go about proving a 3 dimensional being to your 2d friends?

[Succubus]

A two dimensional being is only one atom thick, at most, how does such an entity eat?

[Huggy Bear]

A two dimensional being is only one atom thick, at most, how does such an entity eat?

Red Herring.

That has no relevance to the point being made,

[Succubus]

How does a two dimensional being interact with its environment?