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February 6, 2018 at 6:12 am (This post was last modified: February 6, 2018 at 6:26 am by Banned.)
(February 3, 2018 at 1:15 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: ... as far as I can tell, you haven’t made even the slightest effort to learn about our position. You haven’t made any attempt to get to know any of us as people. All I’ve seen you do is peddle the Bible, without reasonable justification to do so.
... you were lying just now when you said you didn’t know why we think what we think. Clearly, you think you do know. According to you, lack of god-belief is just a matter of exposure to ‘different social circumstances.’ You must think you had us figured out before you even registered here, am I right? So...rather than ask questions about our reasoning, and actually learn about our position, you’re just going to stick with the incorrect assumptions about atheism that you rode in on, and peddle your perceived solution to our “problem”: SDA.
I think that if you bothered to learn a thing about my position, you’d know that I lack a belief in any and all god claims made by humans; you’d know why I lack such a belief, and you’d understand that I reject the truth claims of all religions, equally. If you’d known these things about me, you would have realized how silly it is to think that introducing me to yet another sub-sect of Christianity would actually change my mind about the existence of a God.
If you think I am lying, there really is no point in communicating to me is there?
You ask me why I'm at AF, my answer wasn't an invitation for you to start bickering. If you feel that I'm here to change your mind, that's really your perception and I'll leave you with your own thoughts.
(February 3, 2018 at 8:47 pm)Cyberman Wrote:
(February 3, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Banned Wrote: You can only be accepted for what and who you are in the moment, without any changes, otherwise it isn't acceptance at all.
Christ gave the parable of the Shepherd who left the fold and went after the lost one.
God is interested in those who have nothing to offer except themselves as they are, without modification.
Because as soon as a change is required for love, it is no longer love, but a perverse recruitment.
And I repeat, how do you know any of this? You're making some pretty definitive knowledge claims; I want to see the justification for them.
The lost lamb caught in the thicket, possibly in the dark, surrounded by approaching predators, thirsty, really con't do a lot to save itself, it has to be rescued with unconditional concern for it. Sinners are in the same predicament, and they will not admit it.
That's why admitting we are sinners, is a new awareness,as opposed to being in denial and defiance.
(February 3, 2018 at 7:14 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If you are a SDA are you personally on track to live to be 200 years old? After all, you know the secret so it should be easy for you to do it.
Don't worry about me, look after yourself.
(February 4, 2018 at 2:32 am)Khemikal Wrote: The only thing the SDA has accumulated over the years is money, lunatic followers, and a hilarious string of failed doomsday prophecies.
February 6, 2018 at 7:56 am (This post was last modified: February 6, 2018 at 7:57 am by LadyForCamus.)
(February 6, 2018 at 6:12 am)Banned Wrote:
(February 3, 2018 at 1:15 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: ... as far as I can tell, you haven’t made even the slightest effort to learn about our position. You haven’t made any attempt to get to know any of us as people. All I’ve seen you do is peddle the Bible, without reasonable justification to do so.
... you were lying just now when you said you didn’t know why we think what we think. Clearly, you think you do know. According to you, lack of god-belief is just a matter of exposure to ‘different social circumstances.’ You must think you had us figured out before you even registered here, am I right? So...rather than ask questions about our reasoning, and actually learn about our position, you’re just going to stick with the incorrect assumptions about atheism that you rode in on, and peddle your perceived solution to our “problem”: SDA.
I think that if you bothered to learn a thing about my position, you’d know that I lack a belief in any and all god claims made by humans; you’d know why I lack such a belief, and you’d understand that I reject the truth claims of all religions, equally. If you’d known these things about me, you would have realized how silly it is to think that introducing me to yet another sub-sect of Christianity would actually change my mind about the existence of a God.
If you think I am lying, there really is no point in communicating to me is there?
You ask me why I'm at AF, my answer wasn't an invitation for you to start bickering. If you feel that I'm here to change your mind, that's really your perception and I'll leave you with your own thoughts.
Wow, thanks for simply ignoring every single one of my points. That was an opportunity for you, just now, and you blew it. Pro-tip: if you want people to hear what you have to say, you have to actually bother to try and understand them. You have to talk to them like they’re people, not like they’re things. Wouldn’t you want at least that?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Like any good, self-respecting Christian, amma’ right? 😏
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
(February 4, 2018 at 2:32 am)Khemikal Wrote: The only thing the SDA has accumulated over the years is money, lunatic followers, and a hilarious string of failed doomsday prophecies.
And what have you accumulated?
Not that, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(January 8, 2018 at 2:57 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Atheists: What do you make of all this "admit you're a sinner" stuff? What do you think motivates it? Is it a good, bad, or ugly way to reflect on moral transgressions?
Utter invented nonsense. What motivates it is an unhappy man's irrational need to destroy someone else's happiness. Absolutely ugly, which is why theists tend to be ugly people on the inside despite always claiming to have Jesus there.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
(February 3, 2018 at 8:47 pm)Cyberman Wrote: And I repeat, how do you know any of this? You're making some pretty definitive knowledge claims; I want to see the justification for them.
The lost lamb caught in the thicket, possibly in the dark, surrounded by approaching predators, thirsty, really con't do a lot to save itself, it has to be rescued with unconditional concern for it. Sinners are in the same predicament, and they will not admit it.
That's why admitting we are sinners, is a new awareness,as opposed to being in denial and defiance.
Thank you, Deepak Chopra, we'll let you know.
Now that the herring is out of the way, care to address my question?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
February 6, 2018 at 9:41 pm (This post was last modified: February 6, 2018 at 9:42 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(February 6, 2018 at 8:44 pm)Cyberman Wrote:
(February 6, 2018 at 6:12 am)Banned Wrote: The lost lamb caught in the thicket, possibly in the dark, surrounded by approaching predators, thirsty, really con't do a lot to save itself, it has to be rescued with unconditional concern for it. Sinners are in the same predicament, and they will not admit it.
That's why admitting we are sinners, is a new awareness,as opposed to being in denial and defiance.
Thank you, Deepak Chopra, we'll let you know.
Now that the herring is out of the way, care to address my question?
He’s not trying to convince anyone of anything, remember? He just figures if he passes out enough of the Kool-aid, eventually someone will take a sip.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
I'm trying to keep his attention so he won't notice the sun coming up.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(February 3, 2018 at 1:15 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: ... as far as I can tell, you haven’t made even the slightest effort to learn about our position. You haven’t made any attempt to get to know any of us as people. All I’ve seen you do is peddle the Bible, without reasonable justification to do so.
... you were lying just now when you said you didn’t know why we think what we think. Clearly, you think you do know. According to you, lack of god-belief is just a matter of exposure to ‘different social circumstances.’ You must think you had us figured out before you even registered here, am I right? So...rather than ask questions about our reasoning, and actually learn about our position, you’re just going to stick with the incorrect assumptions about atheism that you rode in on, and peddle your perceived solution to our “problem”: SDA.
I think that if you bothered to learn a thing about my position, you’d know that I lack a belief in any and all god claims made by humans; you’d know why I lack such a belief, and you’d understand that I reject the truth claims of all religions, equally. If you’d known these things about me, you would have realized how silly it is to think that introducing me to yet another sub-sect of Christianity would actually change my mind about the existence of a God.
If you think I am lying, there really is no point in communicating to me is there?
You ask me why I'm at AF, my answer wasn't an invitation for you to start bickering. If you feel that I'm here to change your mind, that's really your perception and I'll leave you with your own thoughts.
(February 3, 2018 at 8:47 pm)Cyberman Wrote: And I repeat, how do you know any of this? You're making some pretty definitive knowledge claims; I want to see the justification for them.
The lost lamb caught in the thicket, possibly in the dark, surrounded by approaching predators, thirsty, really con't do a lot to save itself, it has to be rescued with unconditional concern for it. Sinners are in the same predicament, and they will not admit it.
That's why admitting we are sinners, is a new awareness,as opposed to being in denial and defiance.
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Quote:Wyrd of Gawd pid='1697332' dateline='1517699696']If you are a SDA are you personally on track to live to be 200 years old? After all, you know the secret so it should be easy for you to do it.
Don't worry about me, look after yourself.
=Khemikal pid='1697426' dateline='1517725954']The only thing the SDA has accumulated over the years is money, lunatic followers, and a hilarious string of failed doomsday prophecies.
And what have you accumulated?
Banned, I'm already over 27,000 years old. When will you reach 200?
