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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 7:43 am
(March 7, 2018 at 7:40 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (March 7, 2018 at 7:28 am)Khemikal Wrote: So..... your "argument", Hugs, is a fairy tale about a stone age skyscraper...from magic book?
No, my argument is that Odin is a myth formed from older myths... The city of Babel existed... Their mythology also existed... That mythology was incorporated into Norse mythology. Therefore since Norse mythology is in no way original, it cannot be the truth, making Odin not real.
Got it?
I would strongly suggest you read some Norse mythology when you get the chance. Maybe then, you'll stop making such ignorant statements.
And maybe then you'll stop questioning our mighty god! Praise Odin!
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 7:45 am
(March 7, 2018 at 7:40 am)Huggy74 Wrote: No, my argument is that Odin is a myth formed from older myths... The city of Babel existed... Their mythology also existed... That mythology was incorporated into Norse mythology. Therefore since Norse mythology is in no way original, it cannot be the truth, making Odin not real.
In what way is Christianity original when it is a mythology wholly dependant on Judaism and when there were dozens of christ-like mythologies floating around at the time?
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 7:46 am
(March 7, 2018 at 7:40 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (March 7, 2018 at 7:28 am)Khemikal Wrote: So..... your "argument", Hugs, is a fairy tale about a stone age skyscraper...from magic book?
No, my argument is that Odin is a myth formed from older myths... The city of Babel existed... Their mythology also existed... That mythology was incorporated into Norse mythology. Therefore since Norse mythology is in no way original, it cannot be the truth, making Odin not real.
Got it?
The OT is a myth formed from older myths and so is the character known as jesus.
If this is all your logic requires I think you just disproved your guy also.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 7:48 am
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(March 7, 2018 at 7:45 am)Lutrinae Wrote: (March 7, 2018 at 7:40 am)Huggy74 Wrote: No, my argument is that Odin is a myth formed from older myths... The city of Babel existed... Their mythology also existed... That mythology was incorporated into Norse mythology. Therefore since Norse mythology is in no way original, it cannot be the truth, making Odin not real.
In what way is Christianity original when it is a mythology wholly dependant on Judaism and when there were dozens of christ-like mythologies floating around at the time?
That's another discussion, we're talking Odin.
(March 7, 2018 at 7:46 am)mh.brewer Wrote: (March 7, 2018 at 7:40 am)Huggy74 Wrote: No, my argument is that Odin is a myth formed from older myths... The city of Babel existed... Their mythology also existed... That mythology was incorporated into Norse mythology. Therefore since Norse mythology is in no way original, it cannot be the truth, making Odin not real.
Got it?
The OT is a myth formed from older myths and so is the character known as jesus.
If this is all your logic requires I think you just disproved your guy also.
Like I said, that's another discussion.
(March 7, 2018 at 7:43 am)Grandizer Wrote: (March 7, 2018 at 7:40 am)Huggy74 Wrote: No, my argument is that Odin is a myth formed from older myths... The city of Babel existed... Their mythology also existed... That mythology was incorporated into Norse mythology. Therefore since Norse mythology is in no way original, it cannot be the truth, making Odin not real.
Got it?
I would strongly suggest you read some Norse mythology when you get the chance. Maybe then, you'll stop making such ignorant statements.
And maybe then you'll stop questioning our mighty god! Praise Odin!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages
Quote:The Indo-European languages are a family of several hundred related languages and dialects.
Quote:Indo-European languages are spoken by almost 3 billion native speakers, the largest number by far for any recognised language family. Of the 20 languages with the largest numbers of native speakers according to SIL Ethnologue, 12 are Indo-European: Spanish, English, Hindi, Portuguese, Bengali, Russian, German, Sindhi, Punjabi, Marathi, French, Urdu, and Italian, accounting for over 1.7 billion native speakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans
Quote:The Anatolian hypothesis is that the Indo-European languages spread peacefully into Europe from Asia Minor from around 7000 BCE with the advance of farming (wave of advance).
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Therefore seeing how the German Language can be traced back to Mesopotamia, it's not unreasonable for their pagan beliefs to be derived from that region also.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 8:08 am
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Quote:The Indo-European languages are a family of several hundred related languages and dialects.
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Quote:That's another discussion, we're talking Odin.
Yeah, what that guy said. 
Fun fact, though, is that christer mythology had a greater effect on what we know of norse mythology than babylonian mythology did..if it had an effect. Whatever effect either had, they were narrative modifying, as we understand the norse pantheon to be an expansion of native tribal gods. This relationship had an amusing second act..because they very deed of pushing into that cultural territory caused the christian tradition to change as well. Most of what people believe about hell is n. eurpean syncretism applied to an already syncretic judaism.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 8:12 am
More proof of Odin. I sacrifice christers to him the whole time.
Just because it only happens when I play CK2 doesn't make it any less real.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 8:24 am
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(March 7, 2018 at 7:48 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Therefore seeing how the German Language can be traced back to Mesopotamia, it's not unreasonable for their pagan beliefs to be derived from that region also.
You still need to bridge the gap between the premises of your argument and the conclusion itself. Right now, the bridge (if there is any) is rather weak. You might even be able to strengthen your case by showing us what stories or details of stories or whatever were incorporated from Babylonian myths into Norse myths.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 8:34 am
Huggy: So, if a deity evolved from older myths it can not be real? Is that what we are to understand?
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 8:35 am
It doesn't matter, he doesn't accept the argument himself. Huggy is simply stepping on his own dick with this one.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 8:43 am
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It's reasonable to conclude there is no Odin, just as it's reasonable to conclude there is no Yahweh. They are both fantastical claims with virtually no evidence.
But proving they don't exist is an excercise in futility. Even if they were deliberately made up by someone, that doesn't stop them coincidentally existing somewhere outside of our ability to detect. The same goes for any nonsense I make up. The only yardstick we have is being logically consistent, but our ideas of logic might not translate very well outside of our local area.
Saying "Odin is just mythology" translates exactly to "Yawheh is just mythology". It's not proof of non-existence. We could just estimate that the chances of such a thing existing are slim, because they're so ridiculously specific and unlike anything we've ever encountered before.
I wonder if Huggy will ever realize that they are equivalent.
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