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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
April 7, 2018 at 4:49 pm
Quote:I get the feeling that perhaps skeptics reject paranormal findings and experiments at first glance. They don't bother to fully read into the things these paranormal researchers have to say which addresses any objections these skeptics have. When you disagree with something whether it be an idea, an experiment, or a certain claim, you should fully look into anything that addresses your objections. Otherwise, you would just be jumping to conclusions. When drawing a certain conclusion, you should do so only after having conducted full research and having read all the objections being addressed. In short, keep an open mind through the whole journey until you finally arrive at the final destination whether that destination be accepting paranormal claims and findings as truth or rejecting them as woo or nonsense.
Wow that's a lot of pretentious bunkum
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
April 7, 2018 at 4:57 pm
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(April 7, 2018 at 4:46 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Khem is too gnostic. Granted... he's gnostic about the plausible things, which speaks to his benefit, but he's suspicious about a mind that's open to all possibilities (ie critical of agnosticism). That's too anti-Socratic for my tastes, and I challenge him on it when it pops up.
It's true, I'm not so open minded that my brain falls out...even though I'm open minded enough to wonder whether or not we have the rules right.
-and yet I'm still sitting here without ghost pictures of my dead nana. Is that just..offhand, too ridiculous to take seriously or something?
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
April 7, 2018 at 5:09 pm
(April 7, 2018 at 4:57 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (April 7, 2018 at 4:46 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Khem is too gnostic. Granted... he's gnostic about the plausible things, which speaks to his benefit, but he's suspicious about a mind that's open to all possibilities (ie critical of agnosticism). That's too anti-Socratic for my tastes, and I challenge him on it when it pops up.
-it's true, I'm not so open minded that my brain falls out...and yet I'm still sitting here without ghost pictures of my dead nana. Is that just..offhand, too ridiculous to take seriously or something?
Claiming you don't know doesn't mean that you believe in "dead nana visitation." It means YOU DON'T KNOW. You conflate agnosticism with acceptance of implausible truths. That is neither fair nor accurate. "I don't know" means "I don't know." Before you fault me for my tautology, let me put things in perspective.
I don't know what's in my neighbor's closet.
YOUR RESPONSE: You are pretty much allowing that a unicorn might be in your neighbor's closet.
No, I'm not. I'm admitting a gap in my knowledge. When you ask me if a unicorn is in my neighbor's closet, the most direct, honest, and appropriate answer is, "I don't know." Where you err, Khem, is thinking that somehow constitutes belief in unicorns. It does not. I do not believe in unicorns. Why? The same reason I don't believe in gods-- no evidence.
Ask me if there is a unicorn on the dark side of the moon. I'll tell you "I don't know." You could either say:
1) Ha! This motherfucker secretly believes in unicorns!
or you could say
2) This motherfucker only claims knowledge that he actually has.
Think about #2... that's all I'm sayin'.
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
April 7, 2018 at 9:38 pm
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Just so you know, I can read anything anyone has to say here in regards to why they think the paranormal doesn't exist. But, for each and every single one of these posts people make, I would always find myself asking the question:
"What are the objections to what these people are saying?"
Thus, nothing anybody says here will convince me because I would have to do full research into these objections and I would have to do much researching in general until I arrive at the final destination. As a matter of fact, I apply this exact same mindset when determining the truth of any given thing. But there are exceptions such as the fact that, if you drink poison, that would be lethal for you. I obviously know not to drink poison.
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
April 7, 2018 at 10:21 pm
OK, keep up with that critical thinking! Be sure to apply it to all information you receive, and you'll be good to go with your life.
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
April 7, 2018 at 10:33 pm
(April 7, 2018 at 10:21 pm)Fireball Wrote: OK, keep up with that critical thinking! Be sure to apply it to all information you receive, and you'll be good to go with your life.
But there are many things I know as obvious facts. But then there are things that require much research into. The paranormal is one of these things that requires much researching into.
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
April 7, 2018 at 10:52 pm
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(April 7, 2018 at 4:46 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Khem is too gnostic for my liking. Granted... he's gnostic about the plausible things, which speaks to his benefit, but he's suspicious about a mind that's open to all possibilities (ie critical of agnosticism). That's too anti-Socratic for my tastes, and I challenge him on it when it pops up.
Yep. (Fixed that for you.) I'm more cautious/tentative/mealymouthed .. what's the word I'm looking for? Viva la difference!
(April 7, 2018 at 10:33 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: (April 7, 2018 at 10:21 pm)Fireball Wrote: OK, keep up with that critical thinking! Be sure to apply it to all information you receive, and you'll be good to go with your life.
But there are many things I know as obvious facts. But then there are things that require much research into. The paranormal is one of these things that requires much researching into.
It almost seems that the paranormal is a necessary category from your perspective. Why?
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
April 7, 2018 at 10:56 pm
Nope, all this paranormal belief crap tracks back to religion, afterlife stuff. I'm just guessing, but if you believe in paranormal stuff, you are likely to belief in religion.
Like religion, the paranormal is a figment of our imagination.
A true skeptic would never give any credibility to the belief in the paranormal.
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
April 7, 2018 at 10:58 pm
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Yeah, I'm unaware of any reason to think there is anything at all beyond the natural world. There is no doubt more to know about the natural world than is known now, but I see no reason to consider the possibility that some part of that -unike anything we already know- will be of a supernatural/paranormal variety.
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RE: Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions
April 7, 2018 at 11:23 pm
(This post was last modified: April 7, 2018 at 11:46 pm by Transcended Dimensions.)
(April 7, 2018 at 10:52 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (April 7, 2018 at 4:46 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Khem is too gnostic for my liking. Granted... he's gnostic about the plausible things, which speaks to his benefit, but he's suspicious about a mind that's open to all possibilities (ie critical of agnosticism). That's too anti-Socratic for my tastes, and I challenge him on it when it pops up.
Yep. (Fixed that for you.) I'm more cautious/tentative/mealymouthed .. what's the word I'm looking for? Viva la difference!
(April 7, 2018 at 10:33 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: But there are many things I know as obvious facts. But then there are things that require much research into. The paranormal is one of these things that requires much researching into.
It almost seems that the paranormal is a necessary category from your perspective. Why?
If we dismiss the paranormal claims these researchers make based upon the shortcut methods skeptics use, then that is treating these researchers as though they are dumbfounded and denying the most obvious facts of life. It's like saying to them:
"It's as simple as this and any paranormal researcher who argues against this would have to be in denial, dumb, and having a sense of wishful thinking."
But these are highly intelligent researchers we are talking here who have had a lot of education and training. To just dismiss their research based upon shortcut methods would be very close-minded. Therefore, I think there are no shortcuts and that a long journey to reach the final destination really is necessary. It's as they always say. The road to truth can be a long journey. Furthermore, since these paranormal researchers are highly intelligent and have had a lot of education, then the objections they make to the skeptics are good, intelligent objections. But the skeptics treat these researchers as though their objections are dumbfounded and a waste of time.
In other words, these skeptics are being very close-minded here and do not bother to fully look into these objections. They just stop at a certain point and proclaim victory. But their claims of victory are founded upon their own close-minded objections which have already been addressed by these researchers. As you can see here, there are basic facts of life we know and there are no debates about these things such as the fact that we all grow old and die or that an orange is a juicy fruit. But as for things that have a lot of debate about them such as the paranormal or the idea that vaccines cause autism, there are no shortcuts to arriving at the truth. There is so much to keep an open mind to. Therefore, in order to arrive at the truth in these scenarios, that requires a long journey all the while keeping an open mind to all the research done and all the objections that are being said and addressed.
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