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Theists: Hitchens Wager
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Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 11:39 am
Name one moral action or statement that a believer can perform or state that an atheist can not.
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RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 1:31 pm
"Everyone else should behave according to the same moral system I do"
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RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 1:36 pm (This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 1:37 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Everyone else should behave according to the same moral system that I do.  Wink

Though, I don't think that's representative of what Chimp is looking for, lol.
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RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 2:19 pm
A believer may donate a million dollars to charity in the hopes that it will help him reach heaven. An atheist, not believing in heaven, may be less likely to do that.
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RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 2:29 pm
(April 22, 2018 at 1:31 pm)henryp Wrote: "Everyone else should behave according to the same moral system I do"


Anyone is capable of that, they are called assholes.
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RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 2:35 pm
(April 22, 2018 at 2:29 pm)chimp3 Wrote:
(April 22, 2018 at 1:31 pm)henryp Wrote: "Everyone else should behave according to the same moral system I do"

Anyone is capable of that, they are called assholes.

You pushed the eject button on this thread awfully quick.
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RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 2:42 pm (This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 2:43 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
(April 22, 2018 at 2:19 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: A believer may donate a million dollars to charity in the  hopes that it will help him reach heaven. An atheist, not believing in heaven, may be less likely to do that.

Making a donation in the hope of a reward isn't a moral act.

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(April 22, 2018 at 1:31 pm)henryp Wrote: "Everyone else should behave according to the same moral system I do"

This may or may not qualify, depending on the moral system being considered.

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RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 2:57 pm (This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 2:59 pm by chimp3.)
(April 22, 2018 at 2:19 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: A believer may donate a million dollars to charity in the  hopes that it will help him reach heaven. An atheist, not believing in heaven, may be less likely to do that.

Donating to charity is the moral action. Reaching heaven is the motivation.
(April 22, 2018 at 2:35 pm)henryp Wrote:
(April 22, 2018 at 2:29 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Anyone is capable of that, they are called assholes.

You pushed the eject button on this thread awfully quick.

Still, no good answers to the wager.
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RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 3:23 pm
(April 22, 2018 at 2:57 pm)chimp3 Wrote:
(April 22, 2018 at 2:19 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: A believer may donate a million dollars to charity in the  hopes that it will help him reach heaven. An atheist, not believing in heaven, may be less likely to do that.

Donating to charity is the moral action. Reaching heaven is the motivation.
(April 22, 2018 at 2:35 pm)henryp Wrote: You pushed the eject button on this thread awfully quick.

Still, no good answers to the wager.

Oh no!  Was your response to me serious?  I thought it was a joke.
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RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 3:25 pm (This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 3:28 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(April 22, 2018 at 1:31 pm)henryp Wrote: "Everyone else should behave according to the same moral system I do"

Anyone can state that.
(April 22, 2018 at 2:19 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: A believer may donate a million dollars to charity in the  hopes that it will help him reach heaven. An atheist, not believing in heaven, may be less likely to do that.

It's not something that an atheist can't do.

And an atheist may be more likely to do it for other reasons. Like actually giving a shit about people instead of trying to please God or get to Heaven.

For starters, if I had 100 million I'd give like 90 million to charity just because I don't need all that money.

The hopes to get to heaven part isn't relevant morally. All that matters is the donating to charity. And that is something an atheist can do just as much as a theist.

Also, what's more, a theist is more likely to donate it to the church... which puts them at a disadvantage morally.
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