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Theists: Hitchens Wager
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 RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 5:38 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 5:39 pm by chimp3.)
(April 22, 2018 at 5:37 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I'm a bit like the spanish inquisition, in that way.The comfie chair for you, Infidel!
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!
 RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 5:39 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 5:40 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(April 22, 2018 at 5:36 pm)henryp Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 4:53 pm)Hammy Wrote: ^ one of the biggest disappointments right there. Yeah because he's shit at it. Esq was a lot better but he hasn't been around for ages. (April 22, 2018 at 5:37 pm)chimp3 Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 5:36 pm)henryp Wrote: Out of curiosity, was the Khemikal vote a surprise to you?What? He's just trying to cause trouble and poke me with a stick, IMO. This came out of nowhere (and, perhaps surprisingly, he brought it up on this thread).  (April 22, 2018 at 5:31 pm)chimp3 Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 5:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't think an atheist can claim moral objectivity. Many do, but I personally don't see how it makes any sense to do so unless you believe in a higher being/moral law maker.The wager has nothing to do with moral "objectivity". I don't know what this wager is lol. But the OP asked for a moral claim a theist can make that an atheist cannot make.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh  (April 22, 2018 at 5:39 pm)Hammy Wrote:I agree. You'd have to be really terrible at critical thinking to think Khemikal is a good debater, right? You've been on these forums forever. Did you not realize in all that time the majority of atheists on here were incredibly shitty critical thinkers?(April 22, 2018 at 5:36 pm)henryp Wrote: Out of curiosity, was the Khemikal vote a surprise to you?
In other words, as a theist I can claim that rape is objectively immoral, for example. Does that work?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 22, 2018 at 5:53 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 5:57 pm by chimp3.)
(April 22, 2018 at 5:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 5:31 pm)chimp3 Wrote: The wager has nothing to do with moral "objectivity". No! I asked for a moral action or statement that a theist can perform or state that an atheist can not. The claim to moral objectivity is not a moral statement. (April 22, 2018 at 5:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: In other words, as a theist I can claim that rape is objectively immoral, for example. Does that work?No! That is not a moral claim. A moral claim would be "Rape is immoral". Objectivity has nothing to do with it. Although, I sense that a rape victim has a better claim to objectivity than I.
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!
(April 22, 2018 at 5:53 pm)chimp3 Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 5:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't know what this wager is lol. But the OP asked for a moral claim a theist can make that an atheist cannot make. Can't the claim I state be "rape is objectively immoral, and if you think rape is moral, you are wrong"?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (April 22, 2018 at 5:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 5:53 pm)chimp3 Wrote: No! I asked for a moral action or statement that a theist can perform or state that an atheist can not. I don't think you understand this wager.
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!
(April 22, 2018 at 5:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 5:31 pm)chimp3 Wrote: The wager has nothing to do with moral "objectivity". Yeah that's the challenge/wager. A claim a theist can make than atheist can't. Oh, are you saying that morality can be objective for theism but not for atheism? I see. Well, we definitely disagree on that. But that's not an example of a specific action or statement that atheists can make that theists can't. I think the point is that regardless of if morality is objective or not, an atheist can behave just as morally as a theist can. I don't think you deny that though. |
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