Theists: Hitchens Wager

[chimp3]

I'm a bit like the spanish inquisition, in that way.

The comfie chair for you, Infidel!

[Edwardo Piet]

^ one of the biggest disappointments right there.

Out of curiosity, was the Khemikal vote a surprise to you?

Yeah because he's shit at it.

Esq was a lot better but he hasn't been around for ages.

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Out of curiosity, was the Khemikal vote a surprise to you?

What?

He's just trying to cause trouble and poke me with a stick, IMO. This came out of nowhere (and, perhaps surprisingly, he brought it up on this thread).

[Catholic_Lady]

I don't think an atheist can claim moral objectivity. Many do, but I personally don't see how it makes any sense to do so unless you believe in a higher being/moral law maker.

The wager has nothing to do with moral "objectivity".

I don't know what this wager is lol. But the OP asked for a moral claim a theist can make that an atheist cannot make.

[henryp]

Out of curiosity, was the Khemikal vote a surprise to you?

Yeah because he's shit at it.

I agree.  You'd have to be really terrible at critical thinking to think Khemikal is a good debater, right?  You've been on these forums forever.  Did you not realize in all that time the majority of atheists on here were incredibly shitty critical thinkers?

[Catholic_Lady]

In other words, as a theist I can claim that rape is objectively immoral, for example. Does that work?

[chimp3]

The wager has nothing to do with moral "objectivity".

I don't know what this wager is lol. But the OP asked for a moral claim a theist can make that an atheist cannot make.

No! I asked for a moral action or statement that a theist can perform or state that an atheist can not. 

The claim to moral objectivity is not a moral statement.

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In other words, as a theist I can claim that rape is objectively immoral, for example. Does that work?

No! That is not a moral claim. A moral claim would be "Rape is immoral". Objectivity has nothing to do with it. Although, I sense that a rape victim has a better claim to objectivity than I.

[Catholic_Lady]

I don't know what this wager is lol. But the OP asked for a moral claim a theist can make that an atheist cannot make.

No! I asked for a moral action or statement that a theist can perform or state that an atheist can not. 

The claim to moral objectivity is not a moral statement.

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In other words, as a theist I can claim that rape is objectively immoral, for example. Does that work?

No! That is not a moral claim. A moral claim would be "Rape is immoral". Objectivity has nothing to do with it. Although, I sense that a rape victim has a better claim to objectivity than I.

Can't the claim I state be "rape is objectively immoral, and if you think rape is moral, you are wrong"?

[henryp]

[chimp3]

No! I asked for a moral action or statement that a theist can perform or state that an atheist can not. 

The claim to moral objectivity is not a moral statement.

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No! That is not a moral claim. A moral claim would be "Rape is immoral". Objectivity has nothing to do with it. Although, I sense that a rape victim has a better claim to objectivity than I.

Can't the claim I state be "rape is objectively immoral, and if you think rape is moral, you are wrong"?

I don't think you understand this wager.

[Edwardo Piet]

The wager has nothing to do with moral "objectivity".

I don't know what this wager is lol. But the OP asked for a moral claim a theist can make that an atheist cannot make.

Yeah that's the challenge/wager. A claim a theist can make than atheist can't.

Oh, are you saying that morality can be objective for theism but not for atheism?

I see. Well, we definitely disagree on that. But that's not an example of a specific action or statement that atheists can make that theists can't.

I think the point is that regardless of if morality is objective or not, an atheist can behave just as morally as a theist can. I don't think you deny that though.