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Theists: Hitchens Wager
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 (April 22, 2018 at 5:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't think an atheist can claim moral objectivity. Many do, but I personally don't see how it makes any sense to do so unless you believe in a higher being/moral law maker. Morality is subjective. Its about conforming to societal norms. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. 
Yes, that is the position most atheists take. As they logically should, imho.
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-walsh RE: Theists: Hitchens Wager
April 28, 2018 at 2:27 pm
(This post was last modified: April 28, 2018 at 2:29 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Meh...nah. An atheist can be some sort of meaningful moral subjectivist....but they can also be moral realists. Moral realism has nothing to do with gods. It can be true or false in a universe with them, or without them.
The only question, at all...when it comes to moral realism, is this. Do moral facts exist?
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