Civility subsection suggestion

[Catholic_Lady]

Yeah, none of this is Alpha's doing.

He mentioned it in Kit's thread as a solution to the topic, and I was the one who adopted it.

[Edwardo Piet]

There is one particular poster here who employs hyperbole, moves goalposts and strawmans every single debate I get into with him. I can show over and over again across multiple pages that I never said what I was being accused of, and yet it never, ever gets across.

That's how I feel about Rhythm/Khem... excluding the hyperbole part.

[John V]

Yeah, none of this is Alpha's doing.

He mentioned it in Kit's thread as a solution to the topic, and I was the one who adopted it.

Multiple people are assuming that you came up with this for nefarious purposes, and that's just not the case. An atheist was lamenting the lack of good theist discussion. His subsequent posting indicates he was likely drunk or just messing around, but still, that's how it started - as a possible solution to an atheist's complaint.

[Angrboda]

Is telling people that you think they are dishonest, deluded, or ignorant going to be banned from this safe space?

In a serious discussion, you show that a person is dishonest, deluded, or ignorant with facts.

You didn't answer the question. Typically in these sorts of discussion, the dishonest, deluded, or ignorant person will simply ignore such evidence and continue on in the same fashion. Should dishonest, deluded, or ignorant people be banned from such threads after evidence has been provided?

[Edwardo Piet]

So, the forum would keep people with little education and no self-control out of serious discussions.

That's a good thing.

(Bold mine)

Are we going to start checking people's credentials? If so, Catholic school doesn't count.

Furthermore... swearing isn't a sign of a poor education. As Stephen Fry points out in this awesome video:





I have poor self control but I don't care about that much because I have enough self control to get by just fine. I like being me.

I haven't had much of a formal education but I'm still smart and logical. Imagine what I'll be like when I get one? (I'm planning to get one).

That said, I've educated myself on the topics I'm actually interested in. And there's nothing especially wrong with autodidacticism... in fact many of the best philosophers of all time were very critical of academic philosophy. And it's philosophy that I'm most interested in studying.

Schools, colleges and universities have improved over the centuries though. And I definitely want to get into formal education. Then I'll be even better.

And as far as I am concerned if I make a bunch of points and a logical argument and someone responds by saying that I have poor education and lack self control... that's just a way to ignore my actual points.

[robvalue]

If I say someone deserves to be tortured for not agreeing with me, is that considered civil?

What about if I call someone a pissweasel?

[GrandizerII]

1. An atheist (Kit) expressed a desire to have more theists here conducting serious discussions

Kit, what did you do, man?

[John V]

You didn't answer the question.

Yeah, I pretty much did. You're now asking a different question.

Typically in these sorts of discussion, the dishonest, deluded, or ignorant person will simply ignore such evidence and continue on in the same fashion.  Should dishonest, deluded, or ignorant people be banned from such threads after evidence has been provided?

What, are you looking for an explicit admission of dishonesty, delusion, or ignorance from people? Do you need that pound of flesh?

[Edwardo Piet]

I really wasn't intending for this idea to be turned into people insinuating that I need a safe zone or that I'm a "snow flake". Neither am I meaning to complain about these forums or give off the impression that I cant take the heat or whatever. I don't get tore up about the shit posts, I just find them tedious and disruptive, and thought it might be a cool idea to have a single added section reserved for civil discussion for those who would be interested.

Anyway, it's not that big of a deal. I would have dropped this a while ago, but felt encouraged again when Mr Steel asked me to brainstorm some guidelines. But if this isn't a welcome idea, it's no problem lol. I'm certainly not meaning to turn this into an argument.

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I assure you, I am not being disingenuous. I might be wrong, that's entirely possible, but I'm being genuine. I'm not usually a fan of exclusive clubs and that's how I see this. We're going to decide what's offensive or insulting in here and if you don't like it, we'll kick you out of our special area and you'll just have to grovel with the commoners in the, gasp, low rent area of the forum. Yeah, not a fan of that.

I'm guessing that's probably not at all your perception of what you're suggesting, but that's how I imagine it going. Like I said, I could be wrong on that, but its how I see it.

However in the interest of not furthering pointless discussions and/or trying to stop freight trains that I can't control, I will take the same approach I took with the last presidential election. I've stated my concerns, the other side still insists I'm wrong so I say go ahead and do what you want. If it works, great. If it doesn't and my fears become reality, I won't say I told you so. I'll just quietly shrug and tell myself that this is the reality the majority wanted and who am I to question it.

That is fair enough.

That's a shame I really like the idea of it being similar to a Mafia group and it being color coded so people don't swear their by accident.

And even if they accidentally did swear there, so what? They'd get removed but they could still participate in the rest of the forum.

If I were to participate in a formal debate I'd be expected to not say things like "Jesus didn't fucking exist" or call my debate opponent an "idiot".

I like the idea of this subforum being professional but I think it should be used purely for debates.

The idea of being able to talk about normal off topic stuff or silly stuff but without the swearing... that just seems silly to me. That's like having a mini Christain forum within AF lol.

I don't like the idea of a subfoum where you can talk about whatever you want but without the bad language and insults. But I do like the idea of a subforum where you debate whatever you want without the swearing and insults.

[robvalue]

I must say i oppose this idea . It seems overly complicated and unneeded.

That's what she said!