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May 4, 2018 at 12:28 am (This post was last modified: May 4, 2018 at 12:30 am by The Grand Nudger.)
The constitution actually does gaurantee "lifestyles", particularly those you find icky...as a child of god..... but can;t come up with anything better for.
Isn't that awesome? Murrica is even greater than you thought it was!
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(May 3, 2018 at 8:34 pm)Kit Wrote: How do you view me, as the non-believer?
Is it my non-belief that is the main issue, or could you accept a gay man who actively engaged in sex with another man as a part of your community?
Let me know. I want to know the limits you place on community and the extent to which you will go to exclude people from your preconceived notions of the perfect community.
Please, by all means, show me.
The theists have shut down for the night as must I.
Goodnight.
I think you're an evil blasphemer who will have no place in Sto vo kor when your time comes.
(May 3, 2018 at 11:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Your soul would be in danger and I would advise you like I would advise anyone in a bad state.
That said, madness is one of the biggest slips a human can succumb to, and my type is from what I understand the worse type, the type that when granted ascension and vision, instead of following the Guides and being patient, ran away in fear and hate of God, till it literally drove me insane and I became till this day possessed by dark entities.
My sin and my turning away from remembrance of God and relying on the devils till this day, and stemming dark energy from them, and not keeping up the daily connection/prayer is a whole lot worse then what anyone here has done.
My state is I realize is evil, to the extent no matter how much knowledge I get, I'm still inclined to the darkness....and looking to abandon what I know for conjecture.
So I would judge you, but not judge you as worse off than I am.
One of the benefits muslim guys get in paradise is a herd of cute boys. It seems that they will be screwing the boys more than they will be screwing those two tall translucent women. And the pedophilia that Afghan male muslims engage in is well documented.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(May 3, 2018 at 8:34 pm)Kit Wrote: How do you view me, as the non-believer?
like a puppy/fox baby
Quote:Is it my non-belief that is the main issue, or could you accept a gay man who actively engaged in sex with another man as a part of your community?
now I see you like a gay puppy... Then how gay like flaming retard? for me that has less to do with sin and more to do with a personality I can't stand to be around. Another gay personality type i dislike is the persecuted victim where everything is about how they are treated because they are gay... I honestly think those two personality types are related to mental illness. I know a gay guy who is almost stoic about his life. he lives like everyone else it's just his 'wife' drills him in the can from time to time. If you can live in society and not need special dispensation for drilling your buddy in the can or force people to love and accept you for it.. then I don't care.. if you 'need attention or need to be fawned over or you force people to love and accept you, I'd treat you like any other person/hetrosexual with the same type of mental sickness.
Quote:Let me know. I want to know the limits you place on community and the extent to which you will go to exclude people from your preconceived notions of the perfect community.
manipulators, gossips, leaches, dregs, thieves, drug dealers, liars, people who generate and are always in perpetual drama.. I have little use for any of them
Quote:Please, by all means, show me.
The theists have shut down for the night as must I.
May 9, 2018 at 1:31 pm (This post was last modified: May 9, 2018 at 2:42 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(May 3, 2018 at 8:34 pm)Kit Wrote: How do you view me, as the non-believer? Is it my non-belief that is the main issue, or could you accept a gay man who actively engaged in sex with another man as a part of your community? Let me know. I want to know the limits you place on community and the extent to which you will go to exclude people from your preconceived notions of the perfect community.
Your serious question deserves a serious answer. I believe…
You, like everyone else, are a human being with animal needs, desires, and instincts you did not choose and you cannot do otherwise than freely make choices in thought and deed in the absence of any certainty of anything other than your own existence.
I also believe that Man finds himself in a broken creation of which he is a part. No one can know with absolute certainty that the world is not actually (?) absurd or that the senses do not fully deceive, or that reason in anyway yields true knowledge. I further believe that the human heart cries out for something, anything, that could resolve this brokenness. We long for hope and assurance that our existence is not a vain exercise of ignorance and whim, i.e. “sound and fury signifying nothing”. Seeing that state of despair, I believe, God comes to every man and woman and, in a soft still voice, speaks the words, “Here I am.” To hear that invitation from within and to trust it, is, and always be, a leap of faith.
Personally, I have adopted the foundational beliefs that the world has an intelligible order, that sensory evidence is generally reliable and self-correcting, and that human reason is effective. I have also chosen to accept my innate sense that there is a Divine reality. None of the above beliefs are rational, in the sense that there is no rational reason to trust either reason or instinct. However, these beliefs are self-consistent and mutually supportive in a way that rejecting all or some of those foundational beliefs cannot be. As such I consider my stance reasonable despite the ultimate irrationality of all beliefs.
With all that said, I would say to you that your state of non-belief, while no less justifiable than my state of belief, is still not a good place to be. I say this speaking from personal experience and having listened to the testimony of great minds who also struggled with this “dark night of the soul.” Nor do I think cultures that fail, either explicitly or tacitly, to avoid nihilistic tendencies can long endure. This is the Gospel message: that we are broken personally and as a race, incapable of overcoming the human condition by our own power, and wholly dependent on Grace to deliver from despair those who freely choose to follow Him.
That IS the main issue because everything else follows from it, including concerns those of someone finding himself with desires he did not choose. Isn’t that the human condition? Is there anyone who finds himself or herself without unchoosen thoughts, feelings, and desires and wondering whether or not embrace or reject them or even celebrate them? By what criteria does one make such determinations? The first question to ask is not whether particular lifestyle choices are right and proper; but rather, do they follow from what one truly believes, i.e. the freely adopted stances by which one has chosen to live his or her life?
So to directly answer your question, I believe you are my existential equal and fellow traveler though life. As a Child of God, you deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. At the same time, I believe that you, like me, like every human that is, was, or ever will be, is broken in exactly the way I described above, finding ourselves, facing unavoidable choices that are sometimes very difficult one, such as those between bad and worse OR with nearly infinite unknowns OR have potentially highly desirable outcomes and are just plain hard to do.
Nevertheless and because of my foundational beliefs, I am led to conclude that while many of those desires are right and proper for human beings to embrace, others are to be rejected and overcome. I too have desires that are oddly compelling, nearly irresistible, and seem to be very much a part of who I am. But I alone decide if I will let them define me and whether or not I will build my identity around them.
And here is a critical point that needs to be fully understood. I do not judge any human being as existentially inferior to me nor do I believe that by embracing the foundational beliefs I have make me superior to anyone in any way. It is the Lord, and He alone, who judges. However, I do not avoid comparing my life and the lives of those around me, with the Christian principles that follow from the those foundational beliefs, beliefs I consider necessary to hold in order to avoid nihilism, enjoy abundant life and promote a noble culture and positive civil society.
(May 3, 2018 at 8:34 pm)Kit Wrote: How do you view me, as the non-believer? Is it my non-belief that is the main issue, or could you accept a gay man who actively engaged in sex with another man as a part of your community? Let me know. I want to know the limits you place on community and the extent to which you will go to exclude people from your preconceived notions of the perfect community.
Your serious question deserves a serious answer. I believe…
You, like everyone else, are a human being with animal needs, desires, and instincts you did not choose and you cannot do otherwise than freely make choices in thought and deed in the absence of any certainty of anything other than your own existence.
I also believe that Man finds himself in a broken creation of which he is a part. No one can know with absolute certainty that the world is not actually (?) absurd or that the senses do not fully deceive, or that reason in anyway yields true knowledge. I further believe that the human heart cries out for something, anything, that could resolve this brokenness. We long for hope and assurance that our existence is not a vain exercise of ignorance and whim, i.e. “sound and fury signifying nothing”. Seeing that state of despair, I believe, God comes to every man and woman and, in a soft still voice, speaks the words, “Here I am.” To hear that invitation from within and to trust it, is, and always be, a leap of faith.
Personally, I have adopted the foundational beliefs that the world has an intelligible order, that sensory evidence is generally reliable and self-correcting, and that human reason is effective. I have also chosen to accept my innate sense that there is a Divine reality. None of the above beliefs are rational, in the sense that there is no rational reason to trust either reason or instinct. However, these beliefs are self-consistent and mutually supportive in a way that rejecting all or some of those foundational beliefs cannot be. As such I consider my stance reasonable despite the ultimate irrationality of all beliefs.
With all that said, I would say to you that your state of non-belief, while no less justifiable than my state of belief, is still not a good place to be. I say this speaking from personal experience and having listened to the testimony of great minds who also struggled with this “dark night of the soul.” Nor do I think cultures that fail, either explicitly or tacitly, to avoid nihilistic tendencies can long endure. This is the Gospel message: that we are broken personally and as a race, incapable of overcoming the human condition by our own power, and wholly dependent on Grace to deliver from despair those who freely choose to follow Him.
That IS the main issue because everything else follows from it, including concerns those of someone finding himself with desires he did not choose. Isn’t that the human condition? Is there anyone who finds himself or herself without unchoosen thoughts, feelings, and desires and wondering whether or not embrace or reject them or even celebrate them? By what criteria does one make such determinations? The first question to ask is not whether particular lifestyle choices are right and proper; but rather, do they follow from what one truly believes, i.e. the freely adopted stances by which one has chosen to live his or her life?
So to directly answer your question, I believe you are my existential equal and fellow traveler though life. As a Child of God, you deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. At the same time, I believe that you, like me, like every human that is, was, or ever will be, is broken in exactly the way I described above, finding ourselves, facing unavoidable choices that are sometimes very difficult one, such as those between bad and worse OR with nearly infinite unknowns OR have potentially highly desirable outcomes and are just plain hard to do.
Nevertheless and because of my foundational beliefs, I am led to conclude that while many of those desires are right and proper for human beings to embrace, others are to be rejected and overcome. I too have desires that are oddly compelling, nearly irresistible, and seem to be very much a part of who I am. But I alone decide if I will let them define me and whether or not I will build my identity around them.
And here is a critical point that needs to be fully understood. I do not judge any human being as existentially inferior to me nor do I believe that by embracing the foundational beliefs I have make me superior to anyone in any way. It is the Lord, and He alone, who judges. However, I do not avoid comparing my life and the lives of those around me, with the Christian principles that follow from the those foundational beliefs, beliefs I consider necessary to hold in order to avoid nihilism, enjoy abundant life and promote a noble culture and positive civil society.
Wow, great post!
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
May 9, 2018 at 3:11 pm (This post was last modified: May 9, 2018 at 3:11 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(May 9, 2018 at 2:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(May 9, 2018 at 1:31 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Your serious question deserves a serious answer. I believe…
You, like everyone else, are a human being with animal needs, desires, and instincts you did not choose and you cannot do otherwise than freely make choices in thought and deed in the absence of any certainty of anything other than your own existence.
I also believe that Man finds himself in a broken creation of which he is a part. No one can know with absolute certainty that the world is not actually (?) absurd or that the senses do not fully deceive, or that reason in anyway yields true knowledge. I further believe that the human heart cries out for something, anything, that could resolve this brokenness. We long for hope and assurance that our existence is not a vain exercise of ignorance and whim, i.e. “sound and fury signifying nothing”. Seeing that state of despair, I believe, God comes to every man and woman and, in a soft still voice, speaks the words, “Here I am.” To hear that invitation from within and to trust it, is, and always be, a leap of faith.
Personally, I have adopted the foundational beliefs that the world has an intelligible order, that sensory evidence is generally reliable and self-correcting, and that human reason is effective. I have also chosen to accept my innate sense that there is a Divine reality. None of the above beliefs are rational, in the sense that there is no rational reason to trust either reason or instinct. However, these beliefs are self-consistent and mutually supportive in a way that rejecting all or some of those foundational beliefs cannot be. As such I consider my stance reasonable despite the ultimate irrationality of all beliefs.
With all that said, I would say to you that your state of non-belief, while no less justifiable than my state of belief, is still not a good place to be. I say this speaking from personal experience and having listened to the testimony of great minds who also struggled with this “dark night of the soul.” Nor do I think cultures that fail, either explicitly or tacitly, to avoid nihilistic tendencies can long endure. This is the Gospel message: that we are broken personally and as a race, incapable of overcoming the human condition by our own power, and wholly dependent on Grace to deliver from despair those who freely choose to follow Him.
That IS the main issue because everything else follows from it, including concerns those of someone finding himself with desires he did not choose. Isn’t that the human condition? Is there anyone who finds himself or herself without unchoosen thoughts, feelings, and desires and wondering whether or not embrace or reject them or even celebrate them? By what criteria does one make such determinations? The first question to ask is not whether particular lifestyle choices are right and proper; but rather, do they follow from what one truly believes, i.e. the freely adopted stances by which one has chosen to live his or her life?
So to directly answer your question, I believe you are my existential equal and fellow traveler though life. As a Child of God, you deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. At the same time, I believe that you, like me, like every human that is, was, or ever will be, is broken in exactly the way I described above, finding ourselves, facing unavoidable choices that are sometimes very difficult one, such as those between bad and worse OR with nearly infinite unknowns OR have potentially highly desirable outcomes and are just plain hard to do.
Nevertheless and because of my foundational beliefs, I am led to conclude that while many of those desires are right and proper for human beings to embrace, others are to be rejected and overcome. I too have desires that are oddly compelling, nearly irresistible, and seem to be very much a part of who I am. But I alone decide if I will let them define me and whether or not I will build my identity around them.
And here is a critical point that needs to be fully understood. I do not judge any human being as existentially inferior to me nor do I believe that by embracing the foundational beliefs I have make me superior to anyone in any way. It is the Lord, and He alone, who judges. However, I do not avoid comparing my life and the lives of those around me, with the Christian principles that follow from the those foundational beliefs, beliefs I consider necessary to hold in order to avoid nihilism, enjoy abundant life and promote a noble culture and positive civil society.
Wow, great post!
Thank you. Now I'm just waiting for Hammy to swoop in and go "SEE! He openly admits he's irrational!"
