DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[The Grand Nudger]

How do you infer design based on specificity and complexity?  Aren't general and simple things also designed? You told us that DNA and rocks are both designed.

The complexity and specificity allow us to infer design.  When I look at a car or a building, I infer design based on it's specified complexity.  Don't twist my worst like child's play antagonistic debating.  I said the entire universe is designed which is why even a dumb rock requires design here; however, the proof of design is in the complex and specific examples like DNA.

If a dumb rock requires a design as much as specifed complexity..then specified complexity doesn't allow us to infer design at all. Further, why wouldn;t "the proof"...whatever that actually is.... be in dumb rocks, too..if there were proof?

[Mister Agenda]

Le sigh. So much wrong.

The only 'atheist claim' all atheists can make is 'I don't believe any supernatural deities are actually real (or some paraphrasing thereof)', because that's all atheism is.  Not only is 'everything came from nothing' not an atheist claim, the atheists here who have had anything to say about it have told you that's not what they think happened. For you to then go and assert that we claimed the opposite of what we actually said says a lot about you.

The four base chemicals of DNA (A, C, T, and G) are discrete and superficially seem to be digital. However, DNA has features that can modulate its expression. amplifying, minimizing, or silencing it. This allows for complex gradients of expression. One sequence can be affected by the proximity of a another, and how close they are is affected by how the DNA is folded. Considered as a code, it combines digital and analog features. Of course, it's not actually a code, referring to it as such is an analogy. An analogy is never exactly the thing it is analogized with. DNA is a complex long chain molecule that is a template that forms protein molecules. Codes are composed of symbols, and symbols gain their meaning from convention; you can change a symbol to mean something different, or substitute a different symbol to mean the same thing. DNA is made of chemicals, not symbols, and you can't change the 'meaning' of chemicals, only their context.

It is either random or designed is my point.

It is not their material makeup that establish how the chemicals function, it is their sequential ordering.  It is information and information processing.

There's an element of randomness within strict boundaries, which natural selection acts upon in a nonrandom way.

It is exactly their chemical makeup that establishes how the chemicals functions. That's what chemistry is all about.

If the material makeup doesn't establish how the chemicals function, you would be able to substitute other chemicals, the way you can substitute other symbols in a code. The chemical functions of the components of DNA are so essential that it is absurd to claim otherwise. Sequentially ordering any other chemicals in the same way simply will not work. You can have different sequences and have a chance of getting something useful, but with different chemicals, it's not DNA anymore.

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I don't need to read a book about fantasy. Faith is subjective. And again - show me concrete, verifiable proof that you picked the right God, out of the thousands that are already in existence. 

List of deities

Many of the pagan religions are just known to be myth with the gods residing inside this universe (not creating it).  As far as Islam, Allah in the Quran says he is the greatest deceiver.  My Bible says the greatest deceiver is satan.  Many of the pagan religions are the same with different names for different gods.  That is just a brief reason.

I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil...Isaiah 45:7

[Amarok]

It is either random or designed is my point.

False dichotomy 

It is not their material makeup that establish how the chemicals function, it is their sequential ordering.  It is information and information processing.

Yes it very much is the material . Not your ID make believe .

[Mister Agenda]

Based on Hawkings' calculations space was infinitely curved so there was no space; hence, no matter or energy.  Everything, literally came from nothing.

And Hawking was never wrong AND you've reached the correct conclusions from his math. I don't have your faith.

[Silver]

My unique DNA sequence proves the existence of my parents. Nothing more.

[Mister Agenda]

Wrong, the Lord of the Holy Bible is a transcendent Lord in Genesis.  He creates the heavens and the earth.  He resides outside this universe and is the Creator of it.

What's the verse that states that God resides outside of the universe?

[pocaracas]

It is not their material makeup that establish how the chemicals function, it is their sequential ordering.  It is information and information processing.

Yes it very much is the material . Not your ID make believe .

I hadn't noticed this little gem... thanks Tiz!

Mr 47, how do you suppose did these chemicals arrive at their present-day ordering?

[Amarok]

Plenty of gods supposedly live elsewhere.

[Mister Agenda]

I've read it cover to cover twice and selected parts many times. I've found it lacking, very lacking.

jesus of revelations is wack. That's quite the reward/revenge death cult. You should be proud.

Atheist communist regimes are responsible for more deaths this world has ever seen.

There's a hell of a non-sequitur. I have less in common with Stalin because he was an atheist than you do with Osama bin Laden because you're a Christian, btw.

[brewer]

It is not their material makeup that establish how the chemicals function, it is their sequential ordering.  It is information and information processing.

jesus fucking christ, I can't believe you said that. How old are you? Are you home schooled? Have you not been exposed to any chemistry at all? What a moron.

If this got out the ID community would reel in horror. They'd kick you out of the club. No golden ticket for you.

Edit: This is a perfect example of dumbing down as the result of religion.