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On Hell and Forgiveness
August 27, 2018 at 12:21 pm
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Why does god feel compelled to eternally punish only those folks who don’t love him back? Why is that sin the only unforgivable one, and why isn’t it forgivable? I have heard of hell described by Christians as a “self-imposed exile.” If I were to die tomorrow and realize I was wrong, and I begged god for forgiveness but he refused, how could my exile be considered self-imposed? It’s not self-imposed if god is actively preventing me from being with him.
Does god love the folks in hell? If he does, and they are in agony for being separated from him, what logical or moral reason is there for god to keep them ostracized? That sounds like the opposite of a forgiving god. It sounds to me like someone who holds grudges.
Christians, would you do this to your own children? If your child ran away, and came back a month later, filthy and in tears, saying, “mommy/daddy I miss you so much. I’m so alone and afraid. I’m sorry I left; I just want to come home and cuddle with you on the couch,” would you tell them it’s ‘too late’, and shut the door in their face for good? Why or why not?
Why is being loved back the most important thing to god; even more important than how we treat each other during life? Even more important than how his chosen priesthood treat their children?
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 27, 2018 at 12:32 pm
LFC, I cant say I know for sure how it all works, neither is it my judgement to make. But I do hope very much that God takes those who upon dying realize their mistakes (whatever they were) and feel a genuine sense of remorse.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 27, 2018 at 12:39 pm
No form of hell is just
No from of forgiveness is needed
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 27, 2018 at 12:40 pm
It's retarded to suggest that you should love some sky daddy to avoid punishment. It only will provoke rebellion like it did with Lucifer and his buddies.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 27, 2018 at 12:41 pm
(August 27, 2018 at 12:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: LFC, I cant say I know for sure how it all works, neither is it my judgement to make. But I do hope very much that God takes those who upon dying realize their mistakes (whatever they were) and feel a genuine sense of remorse.
Thanks for your honest answer as always, CL. ❤️ Let me ask you, what if you knew that he didn’t? Would you still regard him as perfectly moral and worthy of worship?
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 27, 2018 at 12:53 pm
Christians. Endorsing thought crime since 33 A.D.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 27, 2018 at 12:56 pm
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(August 27, 2018 at 12:21 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: If I were to die tomorrow and realize I was wrong, and I begged god for forgiveness but he refused, how could my exile be considered self-imposed?
Dante’s Inferno poetically presents the answer. Those in Hell love sinning more than they love God and thus cannot turn toward the Good and Truth that could otherwise be theirs. You would be begging to enter Heaven but asking to take your sin in with you. It is like the proverbial monkey trap. The monkey won’t drop the fruit bait and as such, he cannot pull his fist out of the narrow hole in the coconut.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 27, 2018 at 1:14 pm
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Quote:Dante’s Inferno poetically presents the answer.
Dante’s Inferno is a absurd book of nonsense
Quote: Those in Hell love sinning more than they love God and thus cannot turn toward the Good and Truth that could otherwise be theirs.
Those in hell were likely never given a good reason to love you ludicrous sky tyrant let alone believe he's good or the truth
Quote:You would be begging to enter Heaven but asking to take your sin in with you.
Considering the concept of heaven is just awful as Hell no sane person would beg for it and your god is a petty asshole .
Quote: It is like the proverbial monkey trap. The monkey won’t drop the fruit bait and as such, he cannot pull his fist out of the narrow hole in the coconut.
No it's more like a man on a cliff side with a gun by a mob boss being told trust the mob boss for no reason or fall.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 27, 2018 at 1:15 pm
God says "love me or else" What a nice way to treat people 
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 27, 2018 at 1:16 pm
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(August 27, 2018 at 12:53 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Christians. Endorsing thought crime since 33 A.D. Yup if you don't the right think god punishes you .If don't like the concept of being his bottom bitch your punished .
The language of the Apologetics of hell and Christian "justice " is the language of Stockholm syndrome.
The Judeo Christian god is one part dead beat dad and one part abusive husband
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