Jesus' Crucifixion a parable

[Drich]

well maybe try reading it.. text isn't usually heard at all. that fact that you heard anything is quite amazing.

[Minimalist]

Christian/Jesus comprehension.

That's an oxymoron, you moron.

[Dancefortwo]

It is a parable on not being religiously gullible.

Jesus' life, albeit most of it was conveniently omitted from the narrative, was relatively blessed.

So some people didn't like him.  Whomsoever has never been disliked by anyone please cast the first stone.

When this man who has been thus blessed throughout his life reaches a pinnacle where he realizes he will die, he shouts out, "Why hast thou forsaken me?"

He shouted that not as a curse against anyone, but instead it was a curse against his own delusions, because wouldn't it have made more sense for a divine intervention to take place to reinforce his delusions when he was most in need of help than when he was blessedly walking around simply preaching his delusions?

The lesson is that those who hold high standards of divinity to be there when they are at their lowest often find a lack of support while continuously supporting that divinity when they are at their best.  This is not to state that they do not also succumb to cognitive dissonance in continuing support of that divinity when "prayers" aren't answered, because the religious mind will psychologically fool itself into accepting god's existence through his "mysterious plan".

Any sympathetic or empathetic person can understand that a god who allows for suffering when it is within his capability to create a world without it is not a god worth acknowledging.

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That was a good funny picture of how... lacking in basic knowledge about Christ you are. And subsequently how much those who kudoed you also lack in basic Christian/Jesus comprehension. 

let look at your statement again.

It is a parable on not being religiously gullible.

who is telling it?

Jesus' life, albeit most of it was conveniently omitted from the narrative, was relatively blessed.

Jesus Grew up as a labor's son, but more importantly during the time the bible focuses on him he is homeless. he wanders the country side for 3 years, no certain place to sleep not even a rock to use as a pillow every night. let alone steady meals.

So.. how many Homeless people who truly have nothing, do you call 'blessed?' then why the double standard here? oh, because either you don't know what you are talking about or... you are make a point fit the facts despite whether it fits truthfully or not.

So some people didn't like him.

When he was crucified The people voted to have a murder set free over him. how can a person be liked and when it came to a vote a known and convicted murder was set free rather than christ? And again to what crime? The WHOLE Religious hierarchy held a meeting breaking their own laws about such meeting to try and figure out some crime he was guilty of... this is not one or two people trying to frame a guy. Imagine the pope and every member of the vatican in power coming together to conspire to have the state murder a man who is truly innocent of everything (which is why it takes so many to come up with something) And ultimately the court finds him innocent! But because the whole ruling hierarchy is threatening a civil war the state has this innocent man beaten and crucified... That is beyond hate

Whomsoever has never been disliked by anyone please cast the first stone.

When this man who has been thus blessed throughout his life reaches a pinnacle where he realizes he will die, he shouts out, "Why hast thou forsaken me?"

what a truly uninformed/moronic thing to say.
lets say you were about to come into a ton of money, but because I know you, I claim you have plans to over through the government, and I just happen to work for a government agency, and I am a 'higher level employee.. then not only do I have evidence let's say this and all my buddies at the other agencies in the government also have evidence that makes you a terrorist... but you go before  judge and he see through the BS, but we say on the back side if you do not convict and execute you, we me and the other government agencies will cause a civil war. So not only do you get sent to the gas chamber, you first get beaten like skin off beaten both sides/nothing spared. then while you are waiting for the gas are you saying you would never ask what id I do to deserve this?

At no point is fair play going to come into your mind? are you not going to ask for justice? not even a lawyer?

Wow what a double standard you have.

He shouted that not as a curse against anyone, but instead it was a curse against his own delusions, because wouldn't it have made more sense for a divine intervention to take place to reinforce his delusions when he was most in need of help than when he was blessedly walking around simply preaching his delusions?

here is where the ignorance is almost heart breaking. For all that was done, you do not even understand why, YET! you mock it.

Christ Died willing for your sins moron...

He had a chance given to Him by Satan to not go to the cross.

Before all of this happened Christ spent 40 days fasting in the desert. this weakened him physically and made him question things he would not normally. It was at this point Satan came to him offering different things inorder to get Jesus to sin thus nullifying his ablity to take the sin of the world as a sin less sacerfice.

The last thing was when satan took Jesus very high up and showed him the kingdoms of the world and he said that he satan would have all of man fall before Jesus and worship him as God if Jesus would only bow to Satan.. This trial would have taken Jesus off the cross. That the world would have been won over without Jesus having to die.

Jesus denied Him. why? because He knew his purpose was to die on the cross to full fill God's plan for salvation.

The lesson is that those who hold high standards of divinity to be there when they are at their lowest often find a lack of support while continuously supporting that divinity when they are at their best.  This is not to state that they do not also succumb to cognitive dissonance in continuing support of that divinity when "prayers" aren't answered, because the religious mind will psychologically fool itself into accepting god's existence through his "mysterious plan".

Prayers are always answered. It is Petitions rarely get a positive answer.

Any sympathetic or empathetic person can understand that a god who allows for suffering when it is within his capability to create a world without it is not a god worth acknowledging.

What a spoiled and oblivious thing to say. how stupid are you do not understand that 'suffering is subjective?' that suffering come from the idea that one can and always should seek the path of less pain or resistance. if this were 1/2 true we'd all be 500lbs and have burned every yoga instructor as a witch and gym owner as a warlock. Pain is not evil. Pain protects and fosters growth. to take pain out of life is to take living out of life. Nothing would be worth having or doing if their were no risk or reward pain is both. Pain in neutral it has not ill will it can be good and it can be unpleasant, but what it does is separates us and makes us individuals. or rather our threshold for pain judges us and puts us in place.

What lazy minded people. always looking for the path of least resistance! how many of you ever had to embrace the suffering and turn into it? how many of you came out better people having had to suffer though a given experience? no suffering no pain, no personal growth, everyone stays level 1 zombies. No individuality

yeah sounds like God is a real monster for light a fire under your lazy asses and making you feel it in such a way as to make you move your ass every now and again.

Oh, for shit sakes!  The whole story is nonsense.  First of all your omniscient god would know the entire outcome of the story even before he said "let there be light"   (he talks to himself, I guess).  He would know in advance how the Eden debacle would play out way  before he even  created the first atom.   Yet knowing this, knowing millions and millions  of people would roast in hell for eternity,   he proceeds and puts  everything into action and then has the audacity to blame his creations for events he already knows will happen.    

Besides there not being even the slightest falsifiable evidence your god exists, your story is stupid and your mythical  deity is a total asshole.

[Fake Messiah]

The WHOLE Religious hierarchy held a meeting breaking their own laws about such meeting to try and figure out some crime he was guilty of... this is not one or two people trying to frame a guy.

Yeah those pesky Jews or as Christians like to call them 'Christkillers'. They don't call NT antisemitic for nothing.

Christ Died willing for your sins moron...

Except he wasn't born then when Jesus was to have supposedly died so he couldn't have sinned.

Prayers are always answered.

Tell that to all those Christian parents who see their kids struggling in pain, dying slowly and painfully.

how stupid are you do not understand that 'suffering is subjective?' that suffering come from the idea that one can and always should seek the path of less pain or resistance. [...] always looking for the path of least resistance! how many of you ever had to embrace the suffering and turn into it?

Yeah this is the fucked up fanatical Christian drivel that makes people forbid their children to take medication and 'embrace the pain and suffering for Jesus' as Drich puts it. Like when Catherine and John King let their daughter Ashley to die in horrible pain from beaing eaten alive by a bone cancer not allowing her to take any medical care or medications. And that is what Mother Teresa was calling "Kiss of Jesus" when all those people were dying around her in pain because she refused to give them medications.

[Drich]

Moohahahah fresh meat!!! I mean welcome to AF!

Oh, for shit sakes!  The whole story is nonsense.  First of all your omniscient god would know the entire outcome of the story even before he said "let there be light"   (he talks to himself, I guess).

or the void commanding that Light be made. The idea God is so powerful, he stood in darkness and commanded light come fourth, and light did. So did God speak to Himself? no. He spoke to the light and darkness. 

He would know in advance how the Eden debacle would play out way  before  he even  created the first atom.   Yet knowing this, knowing millions and millions  of people would roast in hell for eternity,

So? He also knew millions more would enter into Heaven.

  he proceeds and puts  everything into action and then has the audacity to blame his creations for events he already knows will happen.

there is no blame. there simply isn't any room in eternity for those who do not wish to serve God in that span. Could you imagine the ISIS guy who cut the head off those reporters needing a place to stay, and you had an empty room in your house with your wife and kids. Would you invite him to stay as long as he likes with no rule or declarations to change his ways? what if he literally was to stay forever.. how long before you infedels give jihaddie john a reason to cut your kids heads off?

So then why would God want that very same element in heaven with the rest of use who do pledge to be with Him?   

Besides there not being even the slightest falsifiable evidence your god exists, your story is stupid and your mythical  deity is a total asshole.

one there is falsifiable evidence in the promises He made. You follow the steps in the promise God literally promises to show up. But his way his terms. God is not a clown to do trick for you or anyone else God will not be tricked or loopholed into performing. You have a real opportunity to be sat before God if you do things His way and in his time.

The problem with science is God has to be made to fit into man's manipulation/box rather inorder for science to quantify something Man must first have mastery over it. If not science can not put a label on it. God is not to be master by man or man's processes. otherwise He would cease to be God.

Rather when you look for evidence look for legal evidence something that would indeed hold up in a court of law something strong enough for a jury of your peers put you away for the rest of your life, like eye witness testimony from billions of people who all claim the same thing, from 10's of thousands of documented miracles. Like it or not these forms of evidence in a court of law would be more than enough to convict or determine whether or not some one is telling the truth or lying. Eye witness testimony is enough to seal away a human life till he dies. document evidence that conclusively records and observes never before seen acts is enough to set a man free or condemn him. is enough for people to determine where a company owes millions in damages or nothing at all.

If God can not be measured by science (literally by definition) then why look for him through science? Unless you don't want to find anything. If you wanted the truth why not seek God where He demand we look? afraid you will find Him? Afraid he will call you on the talking to himself bit? Think he will be made that you observe million will be lost?

Why hide behind science? why hide where you know God will not be found?

[Silver]

The problem with science is God has to be made to fit into man's manipulation/box

Wow, talk about completely turning reason upside down in order to make your delusion seem more approachable.

Religion, especially of the Western Christian variety, is as manipulative as Darth Vader choking the unbeliever. Christianity dislikes dissent; it's abhorrent.

Science doesn't deceive whereas religion does.

[Drich]

The WHOLE Religious hierarchy held a meeting breaking their own laws about such meeting to try and figure out some crime he was guilty of... this is not one or two people trying to frame a guy.

Yeah those pesky Jews or as Christians like to call them 'Christkillers'. They don't call NT antisemitic for nothing.

Christ Died willing for your sins moron...

Except he wasn't born then when Jesus was to have supposedly died so he couldn't have sinned.

Prayers are always answered.

Tell that to all those Christian parents who see their kids struggling in pain, dying slowly and painfully.

how stupid are you do not understand that 'suffering is subjective?' that suffering come from the idea that one can and always should seek the path of less pain or resistance. [...] always looking for the path of least resistance! how many of you ever had to embrace the suffering and turn into it?

Yeah this is the fucked up fanatical Christian drivel that makes people forbid their children to take medication and 'embrace the pain and suffering for Jesus' as Drich puts it. Like when Catherine and John King let their daughter Ashley to die in horrible pain from beaing eaten alive by a bone cancer not allowing her to take any medical care or medications. And that is what Mother Teresa was calling "Kiss of Jesus" when all those people were dying around her in pain because she refused to give them medications.

What makes you think I haven't? What in all that I have shared over the years makes you think I personally do not know great suffering?

[Silver]

What makes you think I haven't? What in all that I have shared over the years makes you think I personally do not know great suffering?

I believe you have had momentary instances of where you experienced suffering on a minor level.

That's not the same as stating you suffered as a cancer "victim" has suffered.

[Minimalist]

Drich Wrote: Prayers are always answered.

Tell that to all those Christian parents who see their kids struggling in pain, dying slowly and painfully.

Apparently in most cases god's answer is "go fuck yourself."

[Drich]

The problem with science is God has to be made to fit into man's manipulation/box

Wow, talk about completely turning reason upside down in order to make your delusion seem more approachable.  

Religion, especially of the Western Christian variety, is as manipulative as Darth Vader choking the unbeliever.  Christianity dislikes dissent; it's abhorrent.  

Science doesn't deceive whereas religion does.

The above must be what a small mind in like on the inside... 
uga, bunga science describe everything I can see feel taste touche.
uga bunga.. science know everthing.
Uga, bunga... me can not feel taste touche God.. Science can no feel taste touche God Science say no God.. uga bunga me say no god...

Ahem.. excuse me uga booga was it, common sense here, sorry don't think we've met before..

Let me get this straight.. your 'science' is a system that classifies tangible items and some intangible items that are based on tangiblee things.. God however is not one of those things so according to science God can not exist in a tangible universe.

ok hang in there uga... but what if... God says this about himself? What if God says I will intentionally be outside of what you will ever be able to see, feel taste or touche? BUT you can know I am here because I will show u when you A+B+C.

Do you see the problem uga?

If God.. is as powerful as He says He is, and then declares He will remain unseen unless you ABC... Then if he says who he says he is... you won't be able to find him. So if Science could find God then God would not be as powerful therefore not God. Do you get it? If science ever could find God then by definition whatever science found can't be God. Meaning if the God of the bible could be put in a 'science box' then by defination what was found can't be God. It's 'scintific paradox!'

So uga bunga Science... is a bullshit excuse, for people who want to pretend they are looking for God, but truly are only intentionally looking in the one place God will not be found.. 

Rather if God is what He says He is then the only way to proof god... is to meet Him on His terms.

Guess what uga... million upon billions of people over thousands of ears have done this very thing. but not 'science' do you still wonder why captain cave man or can you see the paradox?