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Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
(October 19, 2018 at 9:39 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: These guys are so superlatively inept and barbarous that even an United States under trump might not quite match it for a few seasons.

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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
(October 21, 2018 at 6:25 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Atlas, MK, sometimes you two surprise the hell out of me!

Angel

elaborate; Minimalist

On Saudi Arabia's change of official story:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45935823

Quote:Saudi Arabia says that journalist Jamal Khashoggi was murdered, blaming a "rogue operation" for a killing that sparked an international outcry.

Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir told Fox News the act had been a "tremendous mistake" and denied the powerful crown prince had ordered the killing.

The journalist was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

The Saudis, under intense pressure to explain the journalist's whereabouts, have offered conflicting accounts.

They initially said he had left the building unharmed on 2 October but on Friday admitted for the first time he was dead, saying that he had been killed in a fight. This claim met widespread scepticism.

I wonder though what happened to his body.
There are rumors that MBS asked for the head of Jamal to be wrapped and sent to him in Riyadh.

If that is real, I really need to ask the U.S and lots of other allies of MBS: did Saudi cash and interest affect you to the degree of being allies with a ghoul like this?
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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
SA's resources, strategic location, and institutional continuity are what made us allies.  The middle east is a full roster of ghouls, at present (gee...what could they all have in common, lol?), so we're bound to end up as allies to one ghoul that at least fits the three above......

...however, there's good news!  If some hypothetical non murdery regime replaced the current, we'd be their buddies too. Get to work!
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
You know there is that whole, let's replace our dependency on foreign oil with some more intelligent system of operating, but hey, let's not dare to dream.
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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
Yeah absolutely, and we've got renewables just itching for a bigger chunk of the market.  Meanwhile, we've been working to reduce our dependence for half a century.  The funding for that hypothetical non murdery regime is on a timer. If they don't crop up while we're still looking to buy their merch it's going to be that much more difficult for them to establish themselves (relative to how easily the current murdery regime had it, ofc).

The end of oil might be a national holiday in the US at some point. It's difficult to see that being the case in the persian gulf.
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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
(October 22, 2018 at 10:24 am)Shell B Wrote: You know there is that whole, let's replace our dependency on foreign oil with some more intelligent system of operating, but hey, let's not dare to dream.

Thanks to fracking and natural gas we aren't so dependent on foreign oil.  But 'Murrican oil companies are and they need to keep the prices up.

I always have to laugh when some flag-waving shithead says "our troops are fighting for our freedom."  No, they are not.  Our freedom is only under attack by one scumbag political party at home.  They are overseas fighting for who-knows-what.  Making the world safe for Exxon-Mobil's profit margin?
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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
Yeah, they're clinging to that oil for dear life when we could ween off that shit in no time. I can do without fracking and deep-sea drilling myself.
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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
According to Sky News "sources", some body parts have been found.
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sources-j...d-11533202
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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
(October 22, 2018 at 6:59 am)Khemikal Wrote: SA's resources, strategic location, and institutional continuity are what made us allies.  The middle east is a full roster of ghouls, at present (gee...what could they all have in common, lol?), so we're bound to end up as allies to one ghoul that at least fits the three above......

...however, there's good news!  If some hypothetical non murdery regime replaced the current, we'd be their buddies too.  Get to work!

But that is one stinky foreign policy; in social life we call such a person who only sees their interest as "selfish","exploiter". I mean this is very insulting because the Middle East has good people still; they are hiding only because they are scared, and because foreign politician -like the American and the Russian- seem to support only their enemies.

Maybe there's nothing wrong with Muslims having bad people like MBS. But it has to do with the western -and American;especially- foreign policy that sees everybody as a ghoul, and has a xenophobic basket that it puts all foreigners in.

And it results in supporting ghouls like the Sauds, and justify it with lame excuses like "but..everybody is a ghoul !"

You don't see that this mentality is so damaging and selfish?
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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
(October 23, 2018 at 8:22 am)Marozz Wrote: According to Sky News "sources", some body parts have been found.
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sources-j...d-11533202

I hope this is true.

The garden of the counselor's house was the center of rumors since this began; if Kashoggi is buried there then we (and the Turks) gave the Sauds too much credit
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