DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Everena]

I think people going through hell on earth right now is very easily obwervable and that is what I was talking about.

You misconstruing someone suffering as going through hell in order to perpetuate a ridiculous religious concept is no different than someone calling someone else cursed in order to perpetuate superstition.

What explanation do you have for pain and suffering in the world?

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I have not just had positive experiences. I have had incredible and undeniable.spiritual experiences (some mutual/shared experiences) and signs that have proven God to me beyond any and all doubt.

At least you understand that personal experiences are just that.  Your personal experience is not evidence of anything realistic, for it pertains only to you in your frame of mind (whatever that may be).

Personal experiences are literally all that life is made up of. My experiences proved God to me beyond any and all doubt and some day yours will too.

[Silver]

What explanation do you have for pain and suffering in the world?

A natural one, created from mankind's own ignorance. That's all it boils down to, essentially.

The problem with most people is that they irrationally prefer the unexplinable to the natural, because in the end looking at who they are or the world around them is too uncomfortable when they can just rely on a fantasy.

[Angrboda]

I've said it in this thread before.  It's just amazing that everything just has to have a creator EXCEPT, conveniently, your imaginary friend.

And something from nothing is a religious concept, not necessarily a scientific one.  Your god and poofing the universe into existence are prime examples.

You atheists are the only ones who believe the entire universe just poofed in existence. We realize that higher intelligence was involved and was an absolute necessity for all of this to come to be as it has. God always has been and always will be. Infinite and eternal, just like our true selves.

[vulcanlogician]

I have not just had positive experiences. I have had incredible and undeniable.spiritual experiences (some mutual/shared experiences) and signs that have proven God to me beyond any and all doubt.

Intensely spiritual experiences prove nothing. "God" is but one possible interpretation of them. A Taoist may have the same experience and interpret the same phenomena differently. Some Mahayana Buddhists interpret such experiences as Avalokitesvara (the being)... yet others say that Avalokitesvara is merely a state of being and that the only being involved is the one having the experience-- or (more precisely) being itself.

The point is, "God" is merely an extrapolation. I'm not saying that any given experience of yours wasn't a genuine revelation. It might have been. All I'm saying is that it's your revelation that relates to your subjective existence. You are brutalizing any genuineness in the experience by taking as a cue to change the beliefs of others.

[Everena]

You atheists are the only ones who believe the entire universe just poofed in existence. We realize that higher intelligence was involved and was an absolute necessity for all of this to come to be as it has. God always has been and always will be. Infinite and eternal, just like our true selves.

You're being dishonest.

Theists believe that a higher being just poofed into existence in order to create everything.  Let that sink in.

No theist believes that nonsense. That is something made up by atheists. God always has been and always will be. Period.

[Silver]

Personal experiences are literally all that life is made up of. My experiences proved God to me beyond any and all doubt and some day yours will too.

Incorrect. You share this planet with other people, and not everyone is going to coddle your every whimsy personal belief. You don't seek comfortable shelter with those whom share your delusion. Rather, you strengthen yourself by experiencing outside of the box.

God exists in a box. Reality exists outside of that box.

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No theist believes that nonsense. That is something made up by atheists. God always has been and always will be. Period.

Then you should have no qualms with the universe having always existed, always being. Period.

Get off that high horse. You're doing yourself no favors.

[The Grand Nudger]

Is there some reason that the universe couldn't be in the same situation?  That in one form or another, it has always been and will always be? Why do we need a meat fairy, but meat fairy doesn't need a fairy making fairy?

[Abaddon_ire]

There is so much cheese sliding off various crackers the floor is getting slippy.

CDF, MJ and Ev all hold mutually exclusive positions. Watching them squirm as they try to make them all fit is amusing.

[Everena]

What explanation do you have for pain and suffering in the world?

A natural one, created from mankind's own ignorance.  That's all it boils down to, essentially.  

The problem with most people is that they irrationally prefer the unexplinable to the natural, because in the end looking at who they are or the world around them is too uncomfortable when they can just rely on a fantasy.

Define natural in that context and then explain what this "natural" explanation is for pain and suffering, especially emotional pain like grief, loneliness, sadness, loss of spouse through divorce or break up, hurt feelings etc

[Angrboda]

Since you yourself don't believe that the universe came from true nothing, I don't see that we have any disagreement about this. I could catalog numerous reasons why I don't think the universe came from this or that God, but I don't see the point until you explain why it would matter. As to whether the universe came from either true nothing or the type of nothing which Lawrence Krauss talks about, I'm open to both possibilities, but not decisively convinced of either. There are multiple scientific hypotheses as to where the universe came from, despite your bullshit denial that they are not part of science. So what's your point here?

Well.. 93% of the world is hypothesizing that higher intelligence was involved in the creation of this universe and no one is calling that science so......

Still not seeing a point here.

Still waiting on that point.