Do u want there to be a God? Any God?

[The Grand Nudger]

Maybe the problem is that you insist on saying my intent is to troll, when it's not.

There are people who have been kind to me on here, and to this point no problem.  You insist I think a certain way or I must agree with you, then problem.

If people are friendly to me, they get friendly back without exception.  When people are unfriendly, ignorant, or insist that I agree with them, then it can be a short fuse.  If someone believes I'm wrong about something and can objectively demonstrate that I am wrong, then I'll gladly retract my statements and change my view.  That's how I roll 24/7.

No one has to rely on anything I say to determine whether or not you're trolling.  You, as a troll..just couldn't help but provide all the evidence that would be required on that count. You'll simply provide more in your response to these statements.

Are you sure that you'll retract your statements and change your view?  That's a 180 degree turn from your earlier insistence that you didn't care..and earlier indication that you were set in your course of being wrong.

Atheism, concerns one's state of belief in gods.  It's a single line item that doesn't imply or necessitate any other thing.  It's not soviet "communism"..or "socialism".  It's not secularism or humanism, it provides no basis for an extremist position, and the fact of the matter is that the statement I've been repeating to you is tautologically true.  

Do you understand?

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Secularism is the likely baby of just about every member of this board.  A secular state is a defacto "atheist state".  There's no need to jump through any soviet hoops to get there.

Humanism is about stressing the importance and primacy of mans needs over the desires of the supernatural.  As it relates to secularism, it's the notion that a state is best arranged to service the needs of it's people, not some god.

I tend to agree with you here.

The problem is when someone see a competing view point.  God vs no god.  If someone sees that opposing view as problematic or limiting their own view, then there is a chance that some nutcase will try and eliminate it.  It doesn't mean everybody will jump in, but people can be loose cannons and we can't control what others think and believe or disbelief.

I see the same thing with Islam.  Some Muslims are wacko and everybody who is an "infidel" is labeled as an enemy and should be put to death.  But in reality, I know Muslims who are friendly, intellectual, caring people.  Regardless, I'm still wary sometimes.

[The Grand Nudger]

Secularism is the likely baby of just about every member of this board.  A secular state is a defacto "atheist state".  There's no need to jump through any soviet hoops to get there.

Humanism is about stressing the importance and primacy of mans needs over the desires of the supernatural.  As it relates to secularism, it's the notion that a state is best arranged to service the needs of it's people, not some god.

I tend to agree with you here.

The problem is when someone see a competing view point.  God vs no god.  If someone sees that opposing view as problematic or limiting their own view, then there is a chance that some nutcase will try and eliminate it.  It doesn't mean everybody will jump in, but people can be loose cannons and we can't control what others think and believe or disbelief.

Religious persecution of non believers and competing faith traditions lays that out nicely, yes.  Reference to the soviet apparatus..not so much.  

I see the same thing with Islam.  Some Muslims are wacko and everybody who is an "infidel" is labeled as an enemy and should be put to death.  But in reality, I know Muslims who are friendly, intellectual, caring people.  Regardless, I'm still wary sometimes.

Moderates.  Differentiated from fundamentalists by their relative lack of faith.  Ultimately, both flow from the same spring....the moderates provide the necessary social and ideological cover for the fullest expression of the faith that they share with fundamentalists. This implicates them and their faith, making attempts to distance either from the actions of the other nothing more than arguing with their own magic book.

I applaud their effort, but it seems counterproductive, and they get no brownie points for being moderately less of an asshole than their compatriots in belief.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Maybe the problem is that you insist on saying my intent is to troll, when it's not.

There are people who have been kind to me on here, and to this point no problem.  You insist I think a certain way or I must agree with you, then problem.

If people are friendly to me, they get friendly back without exception.  When people are unfriendly, ignorant, or insist that I agree with them, then it can be a short fuse.  If someone believes I'm wrong about something and can objectively demonstrate that I am wrong, then I'll gladly retract my statements and change my view.  That's how I roll 24/7.

No one has to rely on anything I say to determine whether or not you're trolling.  You, as a troll..just couldn't help but provide all the evidence that would be required on that count.  You'll simply provide more in your response to these statements.

Are you sure that you'll retract your statements and change your view?  That's a 180 degree turn from your earlier insistence that you didn't care..and earlier indication that you were set in your course of being wrong.

Atheism, concerns one's state of belief in gods.  It's a single line item that doesn't imply or necessitate any other thing.  It's not soviet "communism"..or "socialism".  It's not secularism or humanism, it provides no basis for an extremist position, and the fact of the matter is that the statement I've been repeating to you is tautologically true.  

Do you understand?

"Not care" once doesn't mean I never care.  I also don't go out of my way to "troll" people.  If someone is just downright annoying, then I'm sure I can "troll" a bit, but that's not unusual for anybody. It's a product of being annoyed, and not of preference.

[The Grand Nudger]

Is being set in your course of being wrong also a product of being annoyed?

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Is being set in your course of being wrong also a product of being annoyed?

We just see the world differently.  I'm sure you're a fine person who has reason for thinking a certain way, but I don't interpret things the same way.  I'll just leave it at that as to not imply my way is better.  I'm also fine with being wrong, because that's one way of learning.  Being annoyed comes from observing intolerance.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm sure that we see the world differently, but in the case of what atheism is you're simply wrong.  Atheism concerns one's state of belief in gods.

Do you understand?

[T0 Th3 M4X]

I'm sure that we see the world differently, but in the case of what atheism is you're simply wrong.  Atheism concerns one's state of belief in gods.

Do you understand?

Done with this. Have a good one.

[Angrboda]

Mhm.  I just want to see how long he'll bullshit us.

That's your error. You're assuming things that aren't true.

Reality = You lack the authority to define something beyond yourself.  Reality = I lack the authority to define it for you. Reality = Demonstrate an authority to define it and use that definition.  Reality = If that authority confirms your definition, then I can accept your definition without bias.  The other possibility would be for you to demonstrate that you do have authority to define it for everybody it's inclusive to, then I could simply accept it by acknowledging your authority to do so.

Until then, round-n-round.

Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a God.

Dictionaries report usage. Usage seems to be the only valid authority on the meaning of a term unless you have an argument which says otherwise.

[Amarok]

Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism. Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism. - Vladimir Lenin

 Again a lying nutcase like Lenin opinion has little to do with anything  considering their is nothing atheism that implies or validates communism .Lenin was just using this quote justify destroying the power of the church it was pure politics as there is also nothing incompatible about religion and communism or even scientific socialism so his quote is vapid as is you use of it .