Cardinal George Pell.

[fredd bear]

Yesterday came the news that Australia's most senior Cathoilc  cleric, Cardinal George Pell, has been convicted of child sex abuse.

IN my family, he has long been known as "that slimy George Pell".

He has been convicted for his own crimes, not for any responsibility in covering up the abuse in Australia, in which he was involved up to his neck.

Seems he is only 77. I thought he was  in his 80's. Perhaps he may spend some time in prison. Couldn't careless how long; his life in the Church is over. I expect him to be defrocked as a cardinal, but not as a priest..He will be tucked away some place quiet.

MY satisfaction is the precedent. I hope he is only one of many to come.


I doubt non Catholics  are aware the amount of damage the child sex scandal has caused the Church. It seems thousands have left already. Church numbers have been in decline for decades, except in some developing nations, where numbers have actually increased.

The growth of Catholicism and other Christian  religions in South America and sub Saharan Africa give a false impression of world wide christianity, imo.


 FROM THE NEWS:

A high-ranking Catholic official has been convicted of child sex abuse and is due to be sentenced Wednesday. Australian Cardinal George Pell, a top adviser to Pope Francis who was in charge of Vatican finances until he was accused, was found guilty of five charges of "historical child sexual offenses" that go back decades.

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/25/698023578...-sex-abuse

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

And people say there's nothing good reported in the news.

Boru

[Abaddon_ire]

Interesting, isn't it? Was the High Sparrow's Pope's summit to deal with child abuse or Pell's conviction?

[Brian37]

To be somewhat fair, It is a myth that only Catholic institution's powers have a patent on bad behavior. Hiding things like child abuse, and rape are unfortunately worldwide in every nation to grater or lesser degrees. 

Humans in general look to religion for a source of leadership and those respective groups form social structures, and long term nobody wants to think of those above them as wrong or bad. 

The truth is with all crimes, is that there is no magic book, or holy person that causes an individual to do good or bad. 

But it can take a false belief that those above you can't do anything wrong, to cause the group to want to ignore or hide the behavior.

But it certainly is good news, regardless of label, when someone like this is taken off the streets.

[Fake Messiah]

To be somewhat fair, It is a myth that only Catholic institution's powers have a patent on bad behavior. Hiding things like child abuse, and rape are unfortunately worldwide in every nation to grater or lesser degrees.

What are you talking about? You mean because Trump is accused of raping children?

Humans in general look to religion for a source of leadership and those respective groups form social structures, and long term nobody wants to think of those above them as wrong or bad.

Problem is that those same Catholic assholes are also railing against gay people, calling them filthy and not allowing them basic human rights because they see themselves as some sort of moral authority.

People like Oliver Sacks and Alan Turing who have done so much good for this world, far more than any Pope, are deemed as monsters by these assholes.

While also Pope defended this asshole till the end.

The truth is with all crimes, is that there is no magic book, or holy person that causes an individual to do good or bad.

There are actually magic books like Bible and Koran that order people to do bad things like kill people of other religions, kill gays etc. and people have been known to act on them.

But it can take a false belief that those above you can't do anything wrong, to cause the group to want to ignore or hide the behavior.

Yes one of the reasons this still goes on is because people are thought to see priests as some sort of humans that are better and holier than themselves, and if they do bad the accusers must be working with communists because this can't never be true.

But it certainly is good news, regardless of label, when someone like this is taken off the streets.

Actually he's not taken off the streets. George Pell, walked free from court after being convicted of pedophilia. Anyone else would be jailed immediately.

We've all known about this for months and yet, Pell walked out of court, got into a car & drove away.

[Little lunch]

I'm wondering what the evidence against George Pell actually was.
Surely he couldn't be convicted on one man's testimony alone after thirty years.
I'm not on George Pell's side, if there was irrefutable evidence I would be all for him getting a bullet to the head straight after the guilty verdict.
But what if he's innocent?
I've mixed with the lower end of humanity and met many people who would convincingly tell lies for money or pity or just to make excuses for the fuckups in their life.

[Acrobat]

I'm wondering what the evidence against George Pell actually was.
Surely he couldn't be convicted on one man's testimony alone after thirty years.
I'm not on George Pell's side, if there was irrefutable evidence I would be all for him getting a bullet to the head straight after the guilty verdict.
But what if he's innocent?
I've mixed with the lower end of humanity and met many people who would convincingly tell lies for money or pity or just to make excuses for the fuckups in their life.

I was wondering the same thing, only one person has actually claimed Pell ever abused him, and I'm not aware of any evidence beyond this persons testimony. 

I'm curious everyone else knows what other evidence was used in the case, because I couldn't find any.

[Abaddon_ire]

I'm wondering what the evidence against George Pell actually was.
Surely he couldn't be convicted on one man's testimony alone after thirty years.
I'm not on George Pell's side, if there was irrefutable evidence I would be all for him getting a bullet to the head straight after the guilty verdict.
But what if he's innocent?
I've mixed with the lower end of humanity and met many people who would convincingly tell lies for money or pity or just to make excuses for the fuckups in their life.

I was wondering the same thing, only one person has actually claimed Pell ever abused him, and I'm not aware of any evidence beyond this persons testimony. 

I'm curious everyone else knows what other evidence was used in the case, because I couldn't find any.

There were two accusers but one died.

You wont find much of any other evidence because whatever evidence was laid before the jury is not public yet.

[Acrobat]

I was wondering the same thing, only one person has actually claimed Pell ever abused him, and I'm not aware of any evidence beyond this persons testimony. 

I'm curious everyone else knows what other evidence was used in the case, because I couldn't find any.

There were two accusers but one died.

You wont find much of any other evidence because whatever evidence was laid before the jury is not public yet.

It seems the second accuser passed a way a few years ago, and his own mother indicated that he had denied ever being absused in two occasions.

It’s also hard to imagine what sort actual evidence they could possibly have from an incident that happened so long ago, beyond the single testimony of one living supposed victim.

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I was wondering the same thing, only one person has actually claimed Pell ever abused him, and I'm not aware of any evidence beyond this persons testimony. 

I'm curious everyone else knows what other evidence was used in the case, because I couldn't find any.

There were two accusers but one died.

You wont find much of any other evidence because whatever evidence was laid before the jury is not public yet.

It seems the second accuser passed a way a few years ago, and his own mother indicated that he had denied ever being absused in two occasions.

It’s also hard to imagine what sort actual evidence they could possibly have from an incident that happened so long ago, beyond the single testimony of one living supposed victim.

[Brian37]

To be somewhat fair, It is a myth that only Catholic institution's powers have a patent on bad behavior. Hiding things like child abuse, and rape are unfortunately worldwide in every nation to grater or lesser degrees.

What are you talking about? You mean because Trump is accused of raping children?

Humans in general look to religion for a source of leadership and those respective groups form social structures, and long term nobody wants to think of those above them as wrong or bad.

Problem is that those same Catholic assholes are also railing against gay people, calling them filthy and not allowing them basic human rights because they see themselves as some sort of moral authority.

People like Oliver Sacks and Alan Turing who have done so much good for this world, far more than any Pope, are deemed as monsters by these assholes.

While also Pope defended this asshole till the end.

The truth is with all crimes, is that there is no magic book, or holy person that causes an individual to do good or bad.

There are actually magic books like Bible and Koran that order people to do bad things like kill people of other religions, kill gays etc. and people have been known to act on them.

But it can take a false belief that those above you can't do anything wrong, to cause the group to want to ignore or hide the behavior.

Yes one of the reasons this still goes on is because people are thought to see priests as some sort of humans that are better and holier than themselves, and if they do bad the accusers must be working with communists because this can't never be true.

But it certainly is good news, regardless of label, when someone like this is taken off the streets.

Actually he's not taken off the streets. George Pell, walked free from court after being convicted of pedophilia. Anyone else would be jailed immediately.

We've all known about this for months and yet, Pell walked out of court, got into a car & drove away.

Ok, I stand corrected. The fucker should be in prison.