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Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron

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Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
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#61
RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 26, 2009 at 5:12 pm
you guys are too much
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition

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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 26, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Too much what?

Tongue

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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 27, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Lets put it like this;some of the debates you get into are so funny especially when it is a silly matter.I get a good laugh though my friend.
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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 27, 2009 at 7:41 pm (This post was last modified: May 27, 2009 at 7:41 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 27, 2009 at 12:44 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Lets put it like this;some of the debates you get into are so funny especially when it is a silly matter.I get a good laugh though my friend.
Hehe - yeah lol.
(May 27, 2009 at 12:47 pm)Darwinian Wrote: I agree, they are quite funny, especially as I am right Wink

Agree to disagree? Or do you want to continue the 'debate' lol Big Grin

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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 28, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I agree, they are quite funny, especially as I am right Wink
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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 28, 2009 at 6:45 pm
How so?

If you WANT to continue this and not agree to disagree then fine...once again:

Premise:

'Faith is belief without evidence - and that's irrational. So the term 'rational faith' is an oxymoron.'

That's WHEN faith is defined as ONLY 'belief without evidence'.

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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 28, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Faith is personal proposition based upon belief.

Belief is based upon a personal decision in the absence of evidence.

A personal decision only makes sense if a rational agent has the ability to make that choice freely.

As, apparently there is no free will, the word faith can have no meaning and therefore the phrase Rational Faith cannot be an oxymoron.
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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 28, 2009 at 7:07 pm
With or without 'free will' it doesn't make a difference to the meaning of 'faith' so 'rational faith' is still an oxymoron.

Because we evidently have personal decisions in this universe with or without free will. Whether we actually have any CHOICE in the matter is irrelevant. What we CALL 'free choices' is still the same thing as it always was regardless of whether they're ACTUALLY free or not - (and I, of course - do not believe they are as I'm sure you are aware!).

We still use the word 'free' regardless of free will or not for example. And if we have to 'make a choice' we still CALL it that regardless of whether we actually DO have a choice in the matter... or not.

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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 28, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Maybe I have free will but you don't. There's an idea. After all, we're all different aren't we?

Anyway, with the greatest respect I'm going to withdraw from the whole free will thing.

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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 28, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Okay Smile

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