[Serious] fact finding mission for non-Christians

[Losty]

Let’s not derail a wonderful serious topic but I will note your preference. @Losty that among other is exactly what I want. If you think Christians don’t/won’t listen and you could get 3 points across AND you are not Christian ( including non believers and polytheist, deist, agnostic, etc. ad Nauseum)feel free to add to or go for round two if you have that much to share.

It’s really hard to address Christians as a whole because they’re so different. I know my third fact was silly but I really do think the first two are important for Christians to keep in mind. Many don’t need to be told but there are some that do. I’ll keep thinking on it and see if I think of anything else I think is important for Christians to hear.
Nice thread by the way

[vulcanlogician]

This is a post for any non-Christian to list their top 3 things they would like to explain to Christians. It can be top three reasons God doesn't exist. It can be top three reasons the Bible is wrong. The top three reasons Religion is bad for society. etc. ad nauseum. To keep it brief though, this post really isn't about combatting those things. I'm just interested in compiling a list what non-Christians would like Christians to know. I'd like the posts to not be ranting ramblings, so if you have multiple lists, please try and post them on a separate post. I'd like to keep the top three list of whatever category you'd like to express in simple bullets, but feel free to elaborate as much as you need to on each of your three points.

1. Reality is real. Your beliefs don't affect this fact.

2. It is hard to prove that Christ is a real force in the world. But if anything disproves it, it's Christians and their self-satisfied cognitive dissonance.

3. If I make a claim, I think I ought to back it up with evidence or logic. What exempts you from this? (On any matter?)

[downbeatplumb]

I would like to know in detail what a god is supposed to be.

[pocaracas]

This is a post for any non-Christian to list their top 3 things they would like to explain to Christians. It can be top three reasons God doesn't exist. It can be top three reasons the Bible is wrong. The top three reasons Religion is bad for society. etc. ad nauseum. To keep it brief though, this post really isn't about combatting those things. I'm just interested in compiling a list what non-Christians would like Christians to know. I'd like the posts to not be ranting ramblings, so if you have multiple lists, please try and post them on a separate post. I'd like to keep the top three list of whatever category you'd like to express in simple bullets, but feel free to elaborate as much as you need to on each of your three points.

Three things believers tend to get wrong?

1. Psychology. There's always a failure to account for the psychology of the people in general and your own. The power of suggestion, the power of indoctrination...

2. What does god need with a starship? And by starship, I mean all the believers who get in their minds that they should pass on the notion of god to other people. If a god is real, then the best tool we have to ascertain reality will eventually find it. And that tool is science. That the existence of god has been claimed since before science was remotely advanced enough, makes it seem like the concept of god was invented, instead of discovered.

3. What sort of god would value faith? Faith?! Belief without any good reason for it. I'll tell you what sort of god would value faith, the non-existent kind. For who is valuing faith is not the god, but the god proponents, for they cannot produce a god at all to show... and so faith and belief are the only tools for someone's mind to acknowledge the non-existent as existing. How cute, I went full circle and back to psychology.

[possibletarian]

Hi Tackattack

I have a few pet peeves when talking to christians which i wish they would understand.

1) You're angry at god, perhaps for not stopping evil.

No I'm not, I don't believe there is a god to be angry at, when i show frustration when you say that it's because you lack basic understanding of my position. Nor am I angry (at god) because evil happens, I am no more upset at your god when bad things happen as i am upset at superman or iron-man for not stopping bad things. I think bad things just happen.

2) Your have been blinded to the truth

Then the 'truth' cannot have value to either god or me so far as it concerns me.

3) Denial of clear history and or knowledge

The bible says this happened so it does not matter what science, or historians, or any other method of gaining information says.
(like the flood for instance) usually followed by some declaration of a scientific conspiracy. This last one i feel embarrassed for the believer themselves on their behalf.

[Belacqua]

Three things I would like to say to Christians in general:

~ I hope you will forgive me for the times I was unfair or unkind.

~ Thank you for Augustine, Dante, Gothic art and architecture, Renaissance Neoplatonism, Bach, Milton, Blake, Simone Weil, Martin Luther King, etc.

~ Please live long and prosper.

[Little lunch]

1.  Non-believers aren't necessarily bad people.

2.  Belief isn't enough to make you a good person, and may even be a detriment.

3.  Freedom of religion (going in all directions) is absolutely essential in a functioning democracy.

(Terrific topic, btw)

Boru

I'm too tired to think of three things so I just read through all the answers and this one aligns closest to what I would say, or wish I had thought of. :-)

[ohreally]

1.  I never think about god unless a religious person opens their mouth (or writes).  The best way I can describe this feeling is like when you think of choez, which you've never thought of because it's a made up word.  

2.  I'd say I have better morals than the average religious person.  Not that i'm better as a person but i've never felt many of the disgusting things described in the bible that are adhered to by modern Christians.  

3. I really don't care what god other people believe in when it doesn't impact me.

[Drich]

As an atheist My three things where:

the bible was full of signs and wonders.. I did my best to be my best and ask for anything got nothing..

Then evil in the world..Again trying my best to be my best was gut punched by the world a few times over as a child/pre teen (was made to live a horrible life, drunk dad fight every day at school or at home with bullies, poor, had no support structure ot even a mom I could speak fluently with turned to god and again nothing.

then logic and reason become my friend and despite not being able to read so well took an intrest in science wanted to reconcile what science said against what the bible says.

then broke from God as a teen and then it became about serving self and making excuses to do what I wanted to do. which slowly morphed into wanting to know the truth at any cost. follwed the bread crumbs to God.

That said I think I will start another thread on people who want answers to their three things. Just cut and paste or give me a post number and I can help you resolve or reconcile any or all of them.

[Crossless2.0]

Sad when you have to state the obvious.
(I love your name)

Thank you, Stranger! 😁😉

A plague on both you rebels. Now push that rock before it falls (again)!