What happens when someone fakes being abused?

[Rev. Rye]

Here is a very interesting newspaper article about some high school girls who simply didn't like one of the boys that they went to school with. They made up stories about him sexually assaulting them. The boy was put through hell by police, prosecutors, classmates, and the public in general, and was fired from his job. Had it not been for one of the girls finally telling the truth, this boy would be in a state prison. When the girl who started it all finally told the truth, her reasons for doing what she did were absolutely shocking. Despite her unthinkable brutality, she isn't going to suffer any consequences for what she did at all.

You know accept social condemnation

Perhaps, but at this point, I'm really not convinced that shit like that would be universally condemned. Those girls could probably find some small cadre of other people online who will  say that one girl who finally blew the whistle on the whole scheme was either lying or just a no-good snitch in desperate need of a stitch or two.  Frankly, the way I see it, with the rise of the Internet, we can easily find people who share our frustrations with the world, people who can join together to form an echo chamber and eventually, radicalise with terrifying ease, whether it's incel groups who go from being frustrated with not being able to get a girlfriend to cheering on mass murderers who may or may not actually be like them, or left-wing groups who end up being more concerned with lashing out at (or, as the term is now, cancelling) potential allies who did bad things, ranging all the way from rape down to a muttered joke about USB dongles.

It becomes clear that, well, with friends like those, people have far less of a stake in the norms of the larger culture than you'd like to think. If the larger culture says X is wrong, and all your friends say X is a fucking mitzvah, I simply can't be surprised if people start to side with those smaller groups. Society is broken, and if you want to understand what's going on, the world doesn't make sense if you don't remember that.

[Amarok]

You know accept social condemnation

Perhaps, but at this point, I'm really not convinced that shit like that would be universally condemned. Those girls could probably find some small cadre of other people online who will  say that one girl who finally blew the whistle on the whole scheme was either lying or just a no-good snitch in desperate need of a stitch or two.  Frankly, the way I see it, with the rise of the Internet, we can easily find people who share our frustrations with the world, people who can join together to form an echo chamber and eventually, radicalise with terrifying ease, whether it's incel groups who go from being frustrated with not being able to get a girlfriend to cheering on mass murderers who may or may not actually be like them, or left-wing groups who end up being more concerned with lashing out at (or, as the term is now, cancelling) potential allies who did bad things, ranging all the way from rape down to a muttered joke about USB dongles.

It becomes clear that, well, with friends like those, people have far less of a stake in the norms of the larger culture than you'd like to think. If the larger culture says X is wrong, and all your friends say X is a fucking mitzvah, I simply can't be surprised if people start to side with those smaller groups. Society is broken, and if you want to understand what's going on, the world doesn't make sense if you don't remember that.

I mean among normal society

[Rev. Rye]

And I say that with increasingly radicalised subcultures online, people have less of a reason to give a shit about what normal society says. Normal society has said for decades that racism is bad. Meanwhile, Donald Trump ran his presidential campaign based on faerie dust and the most naked racism seen in a major party candidate in living memory (except maybe for George Wallace and Strom Thurmond), and, even after being caught on tape admitting to sexual assault, he won the election. If the opinions of normal society still mattered, then why the fuck is Trump in the White House? If normal society thought still mattered, his campaign would have been dead in the water as soon as he left the podium during his candidacy announcement at the very latest.

[Amarok]

And I say that with increasingly radicalised subcultures online, people have less of a reason to give a shit about what normal society says. Normal society has said for decades that racism is bad. Meanwhile, Donald Trump ran his presidential campaign based on faerie dust and the most naked racism seen in a major party candidate in living memory (except maybe for George Wallace and Strom Thurmond), and, even after being caught on tape admitting to sexual assault, he won the election. If the opinions of normal society still mattered, then why the fuck is Trump in the White House? If normal society thought still mattered, his campaign would have been dead in the water as soon as he left the podium during his candidacy announcement at the very latest.

But none the less they will

[Rev. Rye]

And I say that with increasingly radicalised subcultures online, people have less of a reason to give a shit about what normal society says. Normal society has said for decades that racism is bad. Meanwhile, Donald Trump ran his presidential campaign based on faerie dust and the most naked racism seen in a major party candidate in living memory (except maybe for George Wallace and Strom Thurmond), and, even after being caught on tape admitting to sexual assault, he won the election. If the opinions of normal society still mattered, then why the fuck is Trump in the White House? If normal society thought still mattered, his campaign would have been dead in the water as soon as he left the podium during his candidacy announcement at the very latest.

But none the less they will

The majority of people may still condemn them, I'm not disputing that. My point is that they have far less of a reason to give a shit about that now than at any other point in history.

[Amarok]

But none the less they will

The majority of people may still condemn them, I'm not disputing that. My point is that they have far less of a reason to give a shit about that now than at any other point in history.

Well at least we agree on the first point

[bennyboy]

What if someone pretends to the police that they have been abused by a certain someone when that wan't the case? What if there is no third party? Even more, what if the liar is the actual abuser? What can happen?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Fras...ontroversy

The shit can hit the fan.


She was proven to be in the wrong, and the university's dismissal of the teacher undone and legal settlement reached.  And then, she was severely punished for her serious misdeed.

Hahaha. . . no, just kidding.  Of course she wasn't.  She wasn't required to return the hush money the university had given her, and went on to great success in Canada, in the States, and even in France, for saying all kinds of batshit crazy stuff. The irony is real with this one.





I don't actually have audio at work, but I'll bet she's saying something ignorant and self-serving.  Can someone let me know if I'm right?