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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 3, 2019 at 11:28 pm
(April 3, 2019 at 11:22 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Conversely, mine has been. I started out as an agnostic atheist for no discernible reason. I became a gnostic atheist much later, for reasons, and my mind is no longer open to the possibility of gods being anything other than fiction.
My reasons didn't alter my atheism, I was an atheist before and after - so they couldn't really be said to be the cause of my atheism. They altered my confidence in a knowledge statement. Sometimes, as unsatisfying as it may be, the answer to the question "but why are you like that" really is, "IDK, just the way I am". An irreducible fact.
How do you become an atheist for no reason at all? Were you simply not raised with religion? I mean, what would you have said to someone who asked you why you didn’t believe in god back your agnostic atheist days?
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 3, 2019 at 11:34 pm
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I was raised surrounded by religion. All kinds of religion. Religion coming out the demonhole. Just never believed any of it. I would have, and did, tell them that I just didn't believe any of it. I used to use the occassion to tell them about what other religions thought along the same line of questioning, especially novel shit. That's how I learned that no one has as little patience for religion as the religious.
In retrospect, I should have been an anthropologist. So I did the next best thing and married one, lol. Atheism is an irreducible fact of who I've always been, but it was my curiosity about mythology and how it circumscribes a culture that made me a gnostic atheist.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 3, 2019 at 11:35 pm
(April 3, 2019 at 11:17 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I notice you didn’t answer my question. You do that a lot.
You do too, though I don't complain about it.
Quote:What reasons lead you to atheism?
As an adult, the knowledge that I don't know what's true, that I'm still thinking about it, that -- in the strict sense of having no belief -- I don't believe.
Metaphysical questions aren't things that can be answered with certainty, usually.
Quote:You’re right that some atheists do make the claim that a god doesn’t exist.
I haven't said anything about that. I'm not sure why you're bringing it up. What I've been saying applies to all atheists (raised in society, etc.).
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 3, 2019 at 11:39 pm
(April 3, 2019 at 11:34 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I was raised surrounded by religion. All kinds of religion. Religion coming out the demonhole. Just never believed any of it. I would have, and did, tell them that I just didn't believe any of it. I used to use the occassion to tell them about what other religions thought along the same line of questioning, especially novel shit. That's how I learned that no one has as little patience for religion as the religious.
In retrospect, I should have been an anthropologist. So I did the next best thing and married one, lol.
Your wife is an anthropologist? That’s so cool! Does she get to go on digs and uncover lost cities ans stuff?
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 3, 2019 at 11:42 pm
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(April 3, 2019 at 11:35 pm)Belaqua Wrote: You do too, though I don't complain about it.
I have said to you more than once that if I ever miss a question, please bring it to my attention and I will promptly answer it. You never have.
Quote:What reasons lead you to atheism?
Quote:As an adult, the knowledge that I don't know what's true, that I'm still thinking about it, that -- in the strict sense of having no belief -- I don't believe.
Metaphysical questions aren't things that can be answered with certainty, usually.
Quote:I haven't said anything about that. I'm not sure why you're bringing it up. What I've been saying applies to all atheists (raised in society, etc.).
Then I suppose I’m not sure what it is you’re saying.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 3, 2019 at 11:43 pm
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Ex..now, and no. Cultural anthropologist, not an archaeologist. She specialized in oral tradition and contemporary native american mythology, specifically oglala.
Current wife was a journalism major at kent state, lol. College radio, you know. Girls got a voice on her.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 3, 2019 at 11:45 pm
(April 3, 2019 at 11:42 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Then I suppose I’m not sure what it is you’re saying.
It doesn't matter.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 3, 2019 at 11:50 pm
Sounds like he's saying he's one of those extremists who peddle Lackist folderal.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 4, 2019 at 12:33 am
(April 3, 2019 at 9:21 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: We have a Goddess of Troll Banning.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 4, 2019 at 7:47 am
(April 3, 2019 at 11:35 pm)Belaqua Wrote: As an adult, the knowledge that I don't know what's true, that I'm still thinking about it, that -- in the strict sense of having no belief -- I don't believe.
That's interesting, all this time I thought your were some sort of theist. Not so much because you defended theistic views, but because of your knowledge of them.
You're perhaps the first atheist I've ever met, whose understanding of theism isn't limited to Fundie Evangelism, or whatever low hanging fruits are available.
I used to be of the opinion that a person could only sustain their atheism, by having a limited understanding of theism, much like a creationist can only sustain their views, by having a limited understanding of Evolution, but you seem to be an exception to the rule.
Much respect.
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