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RE: Divine Inspiration
July 5, 2019 at 3:27 pm
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(July 5, 2019 at 12:21 pm)tackattack Wrote: No I'm not claiming it's a math book or a history book. I started off by pointing out to Fierce that the claims of the Bible as a science book, (History or math as well) is pretty ridiculous mainly because of it's purpose. Seen in the context and understanding of it's time, for what it's purpose was I feel it's very effective. If you're trying to use the Bible as a taxonomy or mathematics handbook you're headed the wrong direction, IMO.
Side note-I do love unicorns and although I've never seen one personally, believe they exist because of the Bible (and a few other sources).
Therefore it is utterly useless for the world of today and your god cant be bothered to issue an update. Apparently, your god actually is the author of confusion according to your claims.
ETA: Wait, WTF? You believe in fucking unicorns?
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RE: Divine Inspiration
July 5, 2019 at 3:29 pm
Gods been sending out updates with regularity, it’s just that the people who believe in that sort of shit......don’t actually believe in that sort of shit.
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RE: Divine Inspiration
July 5, 2019 at 4:06 pm
Ha ha. Aron Ra nailed it
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Divine Inspiration
July 5, 2019 at 8:12 pm
Sir/Ma'am: The Greek word translated as 'God inspired' is theopnustos and actually means God-breathed. It is first the masculine noun theos(a generic word for a Divine being) + pneuma which refers to intellect gleaned from a exterior source. When it says, "All Scripture is God-breathed", it means that the information was breathed into the writers from the source of God. If that didn't happen then there is no other way Moses could have written about the "beginning" billions of years later.
We cannot establish that either theology or science is accurate. The Word's of God is NOT theology! And science is Not nature! Yet, God and nature are buds and hang out together all the time. Paul said, "You will know God by the things He has made".
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RE: Divine Inspiration
July 5, 2019 at 11:17 pm
(July 5, 2019 at 8:12 pm)Haipule Wrote: If that didn't happen then there is no other way Moses could have written about the "beginning" billions of years later.
Moses didn't write the Pentateuch (it wasn't even written by one person) not only because he never existed but because of the contradictions and other reasons
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Divine Inspiration
July 8, 2019 at 4:12 pm
(July 3, 2019 at 11:34 pm)Fierce Wrote: If biblical writers had been divinely inspired by god, wouldn't their writings have matched what we know today according to science? Since it doesn't, clearly those men were only inspired by their imaginations.
why would it?
Oh, wait.. 
Or do you think your understanding of 'science' is the last inneration/version of scientific truth?
Your understanding of science at best is ever changeing meaning what you know to be fact to day is garbage tomorrow.. so then why would the inspiried book of God contain scientific garbage?
Eg Pluto was a planet and not it is not, hole in ozone caused by cfcs global warming due to co2 global cooling due to hydrocarbons, acid rain will destroy all rainforest by 2020 the oceans will all be dead by 2000..
Again this is all scientific garbage that in it's day is as true to you then as the earth was flat 600 years ago.
The bible is infact open, and can be reconciled with anything science has to say if you simply can learn to read it properly/without changing anything it says for traditional or religious explanations.
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RE: Divine Inspiration
July 8, 2019 at 9:44 pm
(July 3, 2019 at 11:34 pm)Fierce Wrote: If biblical writers had been divinely inspired by god, wouldn't their writings have matched what we know today according to science? Since it doesn't, clearly those men were only inspired by their imaginations.
No, because they weren’t anymore attempting to convey scientific facts, than Dostoevsky, or Cormac McCarthy.
The biblical writers wrote in style and language similar to that of novels of stories, and nothing remotely resembling the style commonly found in a scientific text books.
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RE: Divine Inspiration
July 9, 2019 at 9:58 am
(July 5, 2019 at 12:41 pm)Fierce Wrote:
I don't mean to misinterpret you. You're expecting that the writers of the Bible dictate what some voice tells them to write. You don't live or act that way, so why would you expect the writers then to. We all filter what we do through what we know and understand, it's called bias, and we all have one. Especially when one realizes the depth of omnipotence versus the finite reasoning capability of Humans. As acrobat says they weren't trying to convey scientific facts, they were conveying what they witnessed though their eyes.
(July 5, 2019 at 3:27 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (July 5, 2019 at 12:21 pm)tackattack Wrote: No I'm not claiming it's a math book or a history book. I started off by pointing out to Fierce that the claims of the Bible as a science book, (History or math as well) is pretty ridiculous mainly because of it's purpose. Seen in the context and understanding of it's time, for what it's purpose was I feel it's very effective. If you're trying to use the Bible as a taxonomy or mathematics handbook you're headed the wrong direction, IMO.
Side note-I do love unicorns and although I've never seen one personally, believe they exist because of the Bible (and a few other sources).
Therefore it is utterly useless for the world of today and your god cant be bothered to issue an update. Apparently, your god actually is the author of confusion according to your claims.
ETA: Wait, WTF? You believe in fucking unicorns? The Bible isn't useless for today at all. We all inform our world with meaning from stories all the time. It's not the car coming at you that you see first, it's a car that will hit you if you don't move. The stories of the Bible inform us how people lived, loved, hated, killed, etc. and of the promises of God and Jesus. Those are useful to me in my daily walk. I don't believe God is the author of confusion for believers. I do believe God can harden the hearts of people and reveals His understanding to us in His time.
Yes I do believe in unicorns. Check your authorized KJV for Deuteronomy 33:17, Psalms 92:10 and Psalms 22: 21. They're not the mythical magical ponies with horn that are floating in your head when someone says unicorns today. But the dictionary just 200 years ago had a different definition of unicorn, so word meanings apparently change. link- http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/unicorn
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RE: Divine Inspiration
July 9, 2019 at 9:59 am
(July 3, 2019 at 11:34 pm)Fierce Wrote: If biblical writers had been divinely inspired by god, wouldn't their writings have matched what we know today according to science? Since it doesn't, clearly those men were only inspired by their imaginations.
Did you have Mystic Knight on ignore or something? The Koran figured out general relativity centuries before Einstein don't cha know? 
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RE: Divine Inspiration
July 9, 2019 at 11:12 am
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(July 9, 2019 at 9:58 am)tackattack Wrote: I don't mean to misinterpret you. You're expecting that the writers of the Bible dictate what some voice tells them to write. You don't live or act that way, so why would you expect the writers then to. We all filter what we do through what we know and understand, it's called bias, and we all have one. Especially when one realizes the depth of omnipotence versus the finite reasoning capability of Humans. As acrobat says they weren't trying to convey scientific facts, they were conveying what they witnessed though their eyes.
But maybe he's asking why did authors of the Bible lie to us? Why did they say that all those events like world wide flood and Moses escaping Egypt and Samson killing thousands of people with his bare hands and zombies walking around Jerusalem happen when they didn't?
Or why does Bible lie that people can be healed by prayer and exorcism? Or why does Bible lie that there are witches that we should kill when there aren't? Or why does Bible lie that if you believe in Jesus then you'll be immune to poisonous snakes and move trees around at will when that's not true?
You simply seem too focused on word "science" and simply ignore that that means observable reality and therefore say what is truthful.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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