Divine Inspiration

[LastPoet]

Quran, the Word of God
Proof 1- Evidence in the Creation

God created the Heavens and the Earth. After that He created man from clay giving him the best form *. To make Himself known, God uses signs in His creation. God says:

On Earth there are signs for those who have certainty. And in yourselves. Are you not going to see?

Quran 51: 20-21

That we truly create man in the best form

Quran 95: 4

Many architects, mathematicians and other researchers (Marcus Vitruvius, Adolf Seizing, Erns Neufert, Le Corbusier, etc.) realized that the human body and nature follow a single common ratio. This ratio is present in all creation, in every part, in every detail, included in the human being. This ratio is known as the Golden Number or Golden Ratio or Divine Proportion. It is represented by the Greek letter Phi (in honor of the Greek sculptor Phidias?). The Golden Number is mentioned in Quran by God (see below)

The ratio is equivalent to 1.618

This Golden Number consists of the sum of two measurements among themselves. When these measures are added together, a sequence is formed which is called the Fibonacci Sequence. This sequence was discovered by the Christian mathematician Leonardo Pisano (known by the name of Fibonacci) during the Middle Ages, in Pisa (now Italy). Fibonacci was educated in North Africa, later published the Liber Abacci with which he introduced the Indo-Arabic numbering system in Europe. Many sages (architects, sculptors, musicians, painters, mathematicians, philosophers, poets, etc.) were based on the works of Fibonacci (and the Indo-Arabic numbering system).
 
Fibonacci Sequence:
1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55, ...

Basically this sequence of Fibonacci is done by adding the last two numbers (in bold) starting with 1:
1 + 1 = 2 + 1 = 3 + 2 = 5 + 3 = 8 + 5 = 13 + 8 = 21 + 13 = 34 + 21 = 55 ...

To give form to this sequence, the Fibonacci Spiral is used, which consists of a set of connected quarter-circles drawn within a series of squares (called a golden rectangle) regulated by Fibonacci numbers. This form is found in all creation and in the human being itself.

This ratio is used by many architects, painters, composers, designers, etc. as a basis for their masterpieces to create the most beautiful shapes and figures in the face of human perception. This Golden Number is irrational but it is generally 1.6.
You can see the Golden Number and its sequence in the creation and man itself (search images).
That said, as I said before, this Number or Golden Reason is mentioned by God in the Qur'an.

It is true that the first House that was erected for men was that of Bakka (Mecca), blessed and a guide for all the worlds.

Koran 3:96

But, what is the relationship between the Gold Number and Mecca?
The Mekka was built by Adam, the first man, and later destroyed by the Flood. It was rebuilt by Abraham and his son Ishmael by order of God. With time it was filled with idolatry and with Muhammad it was reestablished again to monotheism. Mecca was the first human settlement, it has always been there. Mecca is the city of God.
Precisely this Golden Ratio or Divine Proportion, if applied on Earth (map), it results in the location of Mecca on Earth (search in map image).
 
Verse 96 of Sura 3 contains 47 words. From the beginning of the verse to the word Bekkat (Mekka) there are 29 words, that is 47/29 = 1.6 (the Golden Number). From the word Bekkat to the end of the verse there are 18 more words, that is 29/18 = 1,6. God says in the Koran:

And [by] this secure city [Makkah], We have certainly created man in the best form

Quran 95:3-4

In the original text (Arabic, original language) verse 95:4 God(Allah) says about the creation of man:

We have certainly created man* in the best form

Quran 95:4

1.Mankind
In Arabic this verse contains 25 letters. From the beginning of the verse to the word alinsan (mankind) there are 15 letters, that is 25/15 = 1,6 (the Golden Number). The connection between the form * and the Gold Number is undeniable.

Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran in order that you may understand.

Koran 12:2 [Traduction by Mohsin Khan]

Do you understand now why the translated version is far from the true Qur'an? The Bible long ago moved away from its original message when it was translated from Aramaic, not to mention human misrepresentations during the process.
A non-Arabic Koran is no longer the Koran, the Word of God.

According to Averroes (Ibn Rushd), Muslim philosopher and doctor of the Middle Ages, he affirmed that there are two ways to reach God: through Philosophy (Reason) and Religion (Islam).
Philos means in Greek language ‘love’, that is, ‘beauty or wonder’ (before the human perception). Reason comes from the Old French ‘reisun’, of a variant of ‘ratio, rationis’ (Latin) that means ‘calculation, reckoning’.

Many are amazed by works created from clay/ground of the earth by men, but few reflect on their creation(from clay) and what is around them(in the earth). God honored and blessed the man by giving him the best of form among his creatures. This proves the existence of an Intelligent Designer, of a Creator, of God.

They asked the Prophet Muhammad: What is your miracle? The Prophet, peace be upon him, answered: the Qur'an.
-Why in Arabic and not another language?
-Why in Mecca and not somewhere else?
-Why in an illiterate desert tribe and not others?
I think these questions have already been answered.
How did Muhammad, an arabian illiterate pastor of the desert, know all this if mathematics and numbers were still very primitive in his time? It was simply inspired by the Lord of the Worlds.
The Koran, revealed more than 1400 years ago in the middle of the desert and ignorance.
 

On Earth there are signs for those who have certainty. And in yourselves. Are you not going to see?

Quran 51: 20-21

Oh Man[kind]! What separated you from your Lord, the Generous? The One Who created you, formed you and balanced you, giving you the shape He wanted.

Koran 82: 6-8

 
Now judge for yourselves and:

So what yet causes you to deny the Judgment? Is not God the most just of judges?

Koran 95:7-8

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6L-f0YHRGM

Also, adding excessive font formatting won't make your claims true.

[GrandizerII]

Verse 96 of Sura 3 contains 47 words. From the beginning of the verse to the word Bekkat (Mekka) there are 29 words, that is 47/29 = 1.6 (the Golden Number). From the word Bekkat to the end of the verse there are 18 more words, that is 29/18 = 1,6.

Meh, it would've been more impressive if the results matched the Golden Ratio to 4 or 5 decimal places, with every verse containing the word for Mekka following this pattern.

Numerology overall doesn't impress me much anyway, but you could at least make what you're arguing sound a bit more compelling. This is just a couple of "hits" (if they even are hits) in a pool largely composed of "misses". Which is something to be expected, by the way, in any book with lots of text.

Also:

In Arabic this verse contains 25 letters. From the beginning of the verse to the word alinsan (mankind) there are 15 letters, that is 25/15 = 1,6 (the Golden Number). The connection between the form * and the Gold Number is undeniable.

Problem is that 25/15, when rounded to the nearest tenth, is actually 1.7, not 1.6.

[The Grand Nudger]

Mecca isn’t the first city, or the oldest city, there was no Adam, no flood, no Ishmael and sons.

The idea that it has a relationship with the golden ratio is in accurate, in addition to meaningless.

Innacurate in that it does not actually lie on that specific point, it’s kilometers off, not that it would matter if it weren’t. The designation is based on a specific map projection, there are as many “Golden ratio points” on earth as there are places to divide the map and begin. Two of them for any and every given square inch of starting space on the surface of the globe? In fact....though we could use even smaller units of measure......lol.

The idea that the golden ratio is present in text is similarly innacurate and meaningless. Your numbers are off, but it wouldn’t matter if they weren’t. Again, any number of textual variables, in any text whatsoever, can yield the intended product. Count the letters of the label of a package of toilet paper the right way, and you’ll “find it”.

Maybe that has something to do with how people claim to see it everywhere and nowhere all at once?

[tackattack]

Jesus is the Prophet of God, not His son. This was added during the Nicene Council after Jesus left. Jesus never claimed to be the son of God (Allah). The "Father" is God, the "Son" is Jesus and the "Holy Spirit" is the Angel Gabriel.

Thanks for the clarification on Muslim Belief.

I mean Jews certainly believed that Jesus was claiming to be equal with God and from God. I don't see how a Muslim is supposed to believe the Bible and can't see that:
"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

I suppose if I had 3 more books to read to round out my knowledge it's possible I might have 0 belief in Jesus as the son of God. I can't see how I could believe Jesus's words and not believe some of them, so I still find it unlikely I would have 0 belief, to answer the question.

[The Grand Nudger]

Why cant you see how you’d believe some, but not all, of the words attributed to an allegedly historical character?

We are talking about the book of John, up above....yes? Any Muslim could explain to you that, in their view, new magic book has been “corrupted”. John makes that entirely too easy to establish.

[soldierofGod]

Verse 96 of Sura 3 contains 47 words. From the beginning of the verse to the word Bekkat (Mekka) there are 29 words, that is 47/29 = 1.6 (the Golden Number). From the word Bekkat to the end of the verse there are 18 more words, that is 29/18 = 1,6.

Meh, it would've been more impressive if the results matched the Golden Ratio to 4 or 5 decimal places, with every verse containing the word for Mekka following this pattern.

Numerology overall doesn't impress me much anyway, but you could at least make what you're arguing sound a bit more compelling. This is just a couple of "hits" (if they even are hits) in a pool largely composed of "misses". Which is something to be expected, by the way, in any book with lots of text.

Also:

In Arabic this verse contains 25 letters. From the beginning of the verse to the word alinsan (mankind) there are 15 letters, that is 25/15 = 1,6 (the Golden Number). The connection between the form * and the Gold Number is undeniable.

Problem is that 25/15, when rounded to the nearest tenth, is actually 1.7, not 1.6.

The ratio established by men for their masterpieces is 1,618, but the general is 1.6 for God for His Creation.

25/15 = 1,6666666 ... not 1,7. Mathematics does not deceive, man does. Do not change the Truth for Falsehood like those in the Bible because you would be following the same error as them. I bet if someone are looking for the truth you would say him 1.7 and not 1.6666 ...

[The Grand Nudger]

Exactly, man deceives. In this case you have been deceived, and are deceiving yourself. The math is off for both claims, and it wouldn’t matter if it weren’t since an innumerably large set of alternative variables would yield the same mathematical product.

If magic book is magic, it isn’t on account of this particularly vacuous superstition.

[soldierofGod]

Mecca isn’t the first city, or the oldest city, there was no Adam, no flood, no Ishmael and sons.

The idea that it has a relationship with the golden ratio is in accurate, in addition to meaningless.  

Innacurate in that it does not actually lie on that specific point, it’s kilometers off, not that it would matter if it weren’t. The designation is based on a specific map projection, there are as many “Golden ratio points” on earth as there are places to divide the map and begin.  Two of them for any and every given square inch of starting space on the surface of the globe? In fact....though we could use even smaller units of measure......lol.

The idea that the golden ratio is present in text is similarly innacurate and meaningless.  Your numbers are off, but it wouldn’t matter if they weren’t.  Again, any number of textual variables, in any text whatsoever, can yield the intended product.  Count the letters of the label of a package of toilet paper the right way, and you’ll “find it”.  

Maybe that has something to do with how people claim to see it everywhere and nowhere all at once?

You talk a lot but you don't say anything. You deny the Truth with empty arguments like others in the forum.

You rely on manipulated maps but I rely on the original map. When you see a map where Greenland is equal to or larger than Africa it is really absurd and meaningless. Africa is 13 or more times larger than Greenland. In this map you cannot apply the Golden Number obviously.(see map manipulation marcator)

Inaccurate and meaningless? Why?

If the Gold number does not convince you then let's move on to another test. God created the Earth and the Heavens. God knows what is between them. The land surface is divided into sea and land. Water (oceans, seas and lakes) occupies 70% of the earth's surface while approximately 30% is land (continents and islands). All this is empirically proven data by observation. This is in the Quran, even if they deny it.
The word ‘Bahr’ (sea or water) appears in the Koran 32 times. The word ‘Barr / Ard’ (earth) appears 13 times in the Koran. Now 32 + 13 = 45 (total area).

To know the surface of the water in percentage: (32/45) x100 = 71,11111%
To know the surface of the earth in percentage: (13/45) x100 = 28,88888%

My numbers are deactivated? You are deactivated. There was Adam, Flood and Ishmael.

How could a desert pastor know this accurate data if the Americas had not even been discovered? Simply thank God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj-yCENayOQ

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Exactly, man deceives.  In this case you have been deceived, and are deceiving yourself.  The math is off for both claims, and it wouldn’t matter if it weren’t since an innumerably large set of alternative variables would yield the same mathematical product.

If magic book is magic, it isn’t on account of this particularly vacuous superstition.

So 25/15 is 1.7 and not 1,66666. So the calculator is wrong and you are not? Do not fool yourself

[The Grand Nudger]

-and if we multiply the square root of pixies by how many djinn can dance on the head of a pin we see that the answer is Allah.

What’s the point of addressing any more god-by-numbers fantasies? You’ve already shown that you don’t find the math compelling.

Inaccurate and meaningless, but this doesn’t concern you. Nor do facts. Your Mecca claim is based on the Mercator projection, and it’s still wrong.

[GrandizerII]

Meh, it would've been more impressive if the results matched the Golden Ratio to 4 or 5 decimal places, with every verse containing the word for Mekka following this pattern.

Numerology overall doesn't impress me much anyway, but you could at least make what you're arguing sound a bit more compelling. This is just a couple of "hits" (if they even are hits) in a pool largely composed of "misses". Which is something to be expected, by the way, in any book with lots of text.

Also:


Problem is that 25/15, when rounded to the nearest tenth, is actually 1.7, not 1.6.

The ratio established by men for their masterpieces is 1,618, but the general is 1.6 for God for His Creation.

25/15 = 1,6666666 ... not 1,7. Mathematics does not deceive, man does. Do not change the Truth for Falsehood like those in the Bible because you would be following the same error as them. I bet if someone are looking for the truth you would say him 1.7 and not 1.6666 ...

Yeah, man deceives alright.

1.66666.... rounded to one decimal place is 1.7, not 1.6. Do you not understand the simple rules of rounding?