So what happened?

[I_am_not_mafia]

aren't you supposed to be explaining the second law of thermal dynamics and how it applies to this machine I am purposing?

You f-ing dim wits where muddling around it when you where harping on about the second law of thermal dynamics.. which is why i wanted you to explain what that law was because if you had you would have identified the earths heat as a outside power source which does not fit the definition of a perpetual motion machine.

Anyone who has even the remotest understanding of this area knows that it is thermodynamics. Not thermal dynamics.

This was not a typo by Drich. This is clearly what he's heard people say and thinks that this is how its spelt. Which suggests he hasn't read anything on the subject.

I simply point out if we used a closed loop system there would be no "fuel" and this power station could run fitting the definition of a perpetual motion machine. I gave a couple ideas on how coolant could be used instead of water tapping into more heat but at the same time taking less heat from the hole. via a heat exchanger rather than pumping water down. it would now be in a closed look system..

Again. Closed loop system. Is this what you think people mean when they talk about a closed system in thermodynamics? The two are very different things.

What you are describing is not a closed system.

Clearly you have just heard people talk about this stuff without really understanding what's being said.

[Bucky Ball]

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aren't you supposed to be explaining the second law of thermal dynamics and how it applies to this machine I am purposing?

Thermodynamics. The Second Law of Thermodynamics. That's not a typo. It's complete and total ignorance of science. 
Keep talking. We'll keep laughing.

[Anomalocaris]

It reminds me of the story of the clueless reporter reporting on the atomic bombing of Hiroshima.   He speculated "Radio Active Material" is the material that makes radio sets work, so the spreading of that material must have something to do with beaming enlightening propaganda into Japan.

[I_am_not_mafia]

And before you say it Drich, we're not avoiding arguing with your big walls of text because we don't know how to, but because we just don't take you seriously enough to even try. That is how low you've sunk in people's opinions. And that's from experience talking with you. Which ironically enough is back on topic with your OP.

[Bucky Ball]

Not to worry everyone.
He's "beating back the bushes" (whatever the hell that is) ... and he'll be ready to answer more of your questions about Jesus.
The world is safe for another day.

[The Grand Nudger]

Now, if only he could get us to ask them, lol.

[Fireball]

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Disemvoweled!  Makes as much sense, this way...

[I_am_not_mafia]

identified my issue and why my machne will not work as a perpetual motion machine...

So we were right to begin with then that it is not a perpetual motion machine!

Drich, how is your geothermal perpetual motion machine different from the geothermal systems currently being used around the world?

not dependant of thin parts of the or hot spots on the planet. One you can put this anywhere as the hole I am referencing is in the cold tundra of russia. no where near a geothermal vent.

2 Mine is a closed loop system. as already discussed the geothermal site in Ca is an open loop system meaning they capture the steam the steam is forced through a generator turbine and released into the atmosphere. Min again works like a nuclear power plant via cartoon number 2 I recently shared with you again. meaning we recapture all steam/coolant condens it and reuse it again.

This will prevent the problem ca had when their power plants began to loose capacity. it wasn't because the hole was cooling off like so many of you 'good people' seem to think it was because they where running out of natural spring water because there is an open loop which vents the steam to atmosphere. which again we would recapture condense back to water and pump back down to the heat exchanger creating steam again.

So you are moving energy from under the ground and releasing it above ground by pumping down cold water, turning it to steam and then condensing it back to cold water above surface.

Yeah, we all knew this was what you were proposing and we argued that it was not a perpetual motion machine, you disagreed and then eventually agreed.

Congratulations, you have taken a first small step into a larger world of correcting yourself by listening to other people. You may one day beat your Dunning Kruger syndrome!

So what exactly are you arguing about now? Just a mere implementation detail about it being a closed loop system and going to the effort of dispersing the heat versus  pumping in fresh waster from a stream and exporting that heat down the stream.

Sounds like your implementation will be unnecessarily bigger and more expensive for no real benefit.

You should learn about ERoEI (Energy returned on energy invested)

How much energy is required to build something and operate it compared to how much energy you expect to get out of it. It's cheaper to set up a system where you don't need to cool the steam and of don't need to drill down for miles because you have placed it on a thin part of the crust. It's why people didn't immediately start drilling for oil at the deepest part of the ocean for example. The cost of doing so is prohibitive if it's currently seeping out your ground.

Your proposed system is no different to other geothermal systems except you have made it less economically competitive to build and operate.

[Mister Agenda]

Drich is defining a perpetual motion machine as one with an energy source that lasts a really long time, like the sun or the earth's core. Everyone else is using the commonly understood definition. I know I'm being Captain Obvious with this, but at least I'm an officer.


perpetual-motion machine
A machine that could run forever. A perpetual-motion machine would have to produce at least as much energy as was needed for its operation. According to the second law of thermodynamics, such a machine is impossible, and to date none has ever been successfully demonstrated.

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You're just as much an asshole to people being polite to you Drich, if they don't agree with you. That's one of the things that makes you an asshole, along with your seeming impression that you're not being insulting as long as you don't use 'bad words'.

Its not disagreeing that is the problem. I have had very long and drawn out discussion some lasting weeks with out issue.. When issue comes up it is not a disagreement that is the problem. It is I will answer something topically, then maybe get a topical rebuttal, then I will refute that often times with references then out come the personal attacks and insults.

You had a long conversation with someone who didn't agree with you? Here's a pat on the head (said endearingly), in hopes that praise will reinforce you to do that more often.

You call people 'sport' or 'cupcake' and you say you mean those as terms of endearment. If you really meant them that way, you'd stop using those terms simply because we don't like it when you do, because that's what someone using them as terms of endearment in a genuine fashion would do. Calling someone something you know they don't like to be called is a way to indicate dominance (I'll call you whatever I like, sport), not affection. You're not just insulting, Drich, you're dishonest about it. It's easier to respect someone who is openly insulting and owns it than someone who is weasely about it (no offense to weasels)

But here's another pat on the head for not throwing 'sport' and 'cupcake' around so freely in this particular thread. Good boy (he said endearingly).

And if you ever decide to turn over a new leaf around here, I'm rooting for you; but it's your own fault if I have to see it to believe it.

[Amarok]

Its not disagreeing that is the problem. I have had very long and drawn out discussion some lasting weeks with out issue.. When issue comes up it is not a disagreement that is the problem. It is I will answer something topically, then maybe get a topical rebuttal, then I will refute that often times with references then out come the personal attacks and insults.

Lol bullshit