El Paso Shooting (Yes, Again)

[LadyForCamus]

Yeah, like traffic laws affect everyone, not just the lunatics in the Dodge Hellcats.

so you are in favor of limiting the capacities of cars - and requiring psychological testing and a background check before purchase?


Buy back programs for big dangerous SUVs?


Sure you are.


It will save lives!

Cars aren’t designed for the sole purpose of killing things. False analogy.

[zebo-the-fat]

Yeah, like traffic laws affect everyone, not just the lunatics in the Dodge Hellcats.

so you are in favor of limiting the capacities of cars - and requiring psychological testing and a background check before purchase?


Buy back programs for big dangerous SUVs?


Sure you are.


It will save lives!

Guns are designed to kill people, cars kill by accident, big difference there.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

One common ground: Stupid kills.

[The Grand Nudger]

These are the sorts of arguments that let nutters prattle on endlessly and do nothing to advance the cause of effective gun regulations.

Guns are no more explicitly designed to kill people than a car is. Some guns, some cars, sure...but so what?

It isn’t what a thing was designed for that’s giving us an issue. Sporting rifles were designed for shooting ranges and hunting trips.

That’s what these “assault-style” rifles generally are.

Guns explicitly designed to kill don’t actually cause us much shit. The majority of handguns are designed for stopping power and ease of use, not lethality.

That neither are designed for a mass shooting rampage doesn’t stop them from being employed in the same anymore than being designed explicitly for that purpose seems to cause those particular firearms to be well represented in mass shootings.

Let’s run with the car thing. Suppose we saw that a particular model was overwhelmingly represented in deaths. We wouldn’t refer to what the car was designed for as to why it should be changed, regulated, or banned.

We’d refer to that.

[ReptilianPeon]

It's a people problem.

Every " solution" the anti-gunners come up with will affect ALL gun owners - the majority of which are law abiding - and not the problem in the first place.

Then they act surprised and indignant when the pro- gun side digs in it's heels and prevents the anti's solution.


Want to fix this shit?


Go after the problem children. The assholes who do this shit, shooting places up.



The pro- gun people WILL get behind that..


Or keep trying the same old shit - and nothing will change.

Okay, I half a agree. I believe it's just as important, if not more important, to restrict who can own a gun. I'm of the inclination that outside of museum pieces, weapons designed for the modern battlefield should not be in the hands of people who do not work for the military. In addition to what I said previously in this topic, I also believe that it's important to end the failed war on drugs.

I also believe there is a distinct lack of good male role models for children growing up. In addition to the more obvious demographic of children raised in single parent households, another issue I've seen mentioned is that there are not enough men who want to go into jobs which require a high degree of emotional intelligence. Women out-number men as school teachers (especially in elementary years, at least in my own country) and as nursery nurses, for example. Additionally, who ever heard of a male au pair or babysitter? I'm sure there are some out there, are exceptions and exceptional people everywhere.

We need to get more men into our schools to be good role models for children. Another hyper-focus of some people seems to be single parent households and whilst a lack of a father (in some cases mother) figure can cause problems, it is important to have male role models in the education system too. It's good that we have Women in Engineering Day, so how about a "Men In Jobs That Require a High Degree of Emotional Intelligence Day"? The coal jobs aren't coming back so maybe we can re-train the miners to be nurses, teachers and carers?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Guns are meant to shoot things. People count as "things" for gun nutters.

[onlinebiker]

so you are in favor of limiting the capacities of cars - and requiring psychological testing and a background check before purchase?


Buy back programs for big dangerous SUVs?


Sure you are.


It will save lives!

Cars aren’t designed for the sole purpose of killing things. False analogy.

Talk to Twatzilla..

He' s the one that brought it in...


But somehow you can use any arguement -- unless you hold the "wrong" opinion.


The dogma here is politic instead of religious.......

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Relentlessly Obstreperous can't define stawman.

[arewethereyet]

Siri Gibberish translator, " I am not interested in solutions, I will simply act like I am so that nothing gets done."

I asked earlier about a second step to stopping the legal manufacture and sale of guns and ammunition.

No one gave a step two.

Luckily in the Dayton thread there's a poem which will surely make everything right again.