Human Ingenuity Folks

[The Grand Nudger]

You're imagining that it's more difficult to get your hands on an AK in south africa? You're very generous with your optimism. Both african christianity and african islam are equally barbaric. The whole continent is soup sandwich and really should get more attention. It's not bad guys, these folks have seriously went over the edge of the map. To the very last man, it seems. They definitely need the kind of help that they are unable to provide for themselves. The rape issue is part and parcel of that, but what do we want here, a society of people that wear razorblade condoms or actual progress?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...arlic.html

(before anybody starts to thinking that I don't have serious empathy for these females, I just want to say that a rape epidemic is bullshit. this sort of contraption though is an exercise in just that sort of mentality. It's honestly pretty disgusting, very interesting....but utterly disgusting. What is the difference between this and torture? Should we mutilate the genitals of our own convicted rapists here in the states Shell?)

[Shell B]

Sorry, Rhythm, but I would say it is very difficult for a woman to own, carry and actually use an AK in South Africa and many other African countries. Where do you think they are going to get the money to buy an AK or the "goods" to barter for one? How do you think a villager in Darfur is going to get her hands on an AK when the majority of those that have them are the corrupt thugs working for the Sudanese government and the scant rebels trying to save them? I'm sorry, but you are way off the mark on this one. Yes, the Christians are just as fucking corrupt and just as likely to suppress any rights a woman may have elsewhere. I find it extremely difficult to imagine there is this army of women with AKs in Africa that you are painting a picture of. I think you fail to see the sheer hopelessness of their lives. Poverty, sexism, racism . . . these are only a few of the things preventing women from protecting themselves.

It is estimated that 500,000 women are raped in South Africa every year[140] with the average woman more likely to be raped than complete secondary school.[141] A 2009 survey found one in four South African men admitted to raping someone[142] and another survey found one in three women said they had been raped in the past year.[143] Rapes are also perpetrated by children (some as young as ten),[144] and child and baby rape incidences are some of the highest in the world.[145]

Not an epidemic my ass.

[The Grand Nudger]

And this? You think the man of the house is going to let his little darling bartering piece own one? Less so than any rifle, I'd be willing to bet.

(rape epidemics are bullshit, as in the situation itself is bullshit shell, it's the sort of crime thats very difficult to prevent, and we lean on society and culture for a large portion of prevention...of which these people apparently have none)

[Shell B]

And this? You think the man of the house is going to let his little darling bartering piece own one? Less so than any rifle, I'd be willing to bet.

Not less so, in my opinion. Equally so. Chances are, they won't be able to get one. I have already pointed out how useless of a defense mechanism I find this torture condom anyway. The point is, they don't have the guns you think they have or the access to them. Women are walking targets for rape, as are children.

[The Grand Nudger]

Personally, I dont have any chips in whether or not south african rapists get their naughty bits sliced up (should this ever go commercial). I would be disappointed if someone tried to argue against barbarism and cruelty, while simultaneously insinuating that this sort of thing was somehow a solution, or even to be put on the table. The people of South Africa emphatically do have the guns. They are targets in spite of this, not because of it.

[Shell B]

(rape epidemics are bullshit, as in the situation itself is bullshit shell, it's the sort of crime thats very difficult to prevent, and we lean on society and culture for a large portion of prevention...of which these people apparently have none)

So bullshit, as in it sucks, not bullshit, as in it isn't happening? I prefer the former. I thought you were saying the latter and I was about to ram a bunch of statistics up your ass.

Of course they do not. I am completely aware of the situation. In many places, it is utter anarchy -- refugees mixing with militia, governments disguising their militia as angry tribes and nothing more, governments providing the weapons for genocide, deadly exorcisms performed on children, etc. Most of Africa is a melting pot of fleeing citizens and "bad guys." When the shit hits the fan, they all run and wind up in a different place, but with the same people and the same issues all over again.

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I would be disappointed if someone tried to argue against barbarism and cruelty, while simultaneously insinuating that this sort of thing was somehow a solution, or even to be put on the table.

Why? I don't think it is a solution at all, but I don't see how it is any different than suggesting they blow people's heads off with automatic rifles. Violence is violence and it begets violence.

The people of South Africa emphatically do have the guns. They are targets in spite of this, not because of it.

No shit they do, Rhythm. We're talking about women, not men.

[The Grand Nudger]

Hehehe, I've been reading up on this since we almost had a convo about it..hehe. Access to guns, along with a long list of other shit, isn't an issue for these people. They're being fucked over by each other, themselves, and their leaders.

If daddy owns a gun, so does his princess, lets get real and not paint some crazy world where if only women could touch the weapons....it just isn't so. They all need to get their shit together. The men, the women, everyone.

[Phaedra]

The problem that I have with this device is that it places the onus on on women (just like every other rape-prevention technique) to stop their attackers. Men need to fucking learn that it is NOT ok to rape. Women DON'T like it. It isn't funny, and it isn't something that any woman, regardless of what she is wearing or how much she has been imbibing, is "asking for".

[Shell B]

Hehehe, I've been reading up on this since we almost had a convo about it..hehe. Access to guns, along with a long list of other shit, isn't an issue for these people. They're being fucked over by each other, themselves, and their leaders.

The latter half is true. The former is not. Do you really think the Sudanese government is letting the average citizens of Darfur get their hands on weapons? They're not being fucked over by themselves. They are fucking agricultural tribal communities that are being attacked by Janjaweed with AKs. If the people had AKs and not just the rebel groups and the Janjaweed, there wouldn't be a fucking genocide.

If daddy owns a gun, so does his princess, lets get real and not paint some crazy world where if only women could touch the weapons....it just isn't so.

It is, whether you like it or not. Of course, it isn't whether the women can touch the weapons. You seem to think that every villager in a bassackwards country with barely any water has an AK and therefore, the womenfolk do too. It simply isn't the case. I'm not ignorant of the situation over there, nor am I painting a different reality. How can you reconcile the rape statistics with your belief that these women have guns?

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http://www.helium.com/items/1913738-who-...-janjaweed

http://www.helium.com/items/1983042-the-...ation-army

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...tml?cat=37

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...tml?cat=37

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...tml?cat=37

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...tml?cat=34

There. Now I don't have to repeat myself.

[The Grand Nudger]

You can't throw a rock on this planet without hitting an AK. Why aren't more rapists shot in the US Shell, we have plenty of access. The janjaweed has MORE weapons. Theyre also mechanized, they could be wielding sticks and still be successful on those grounds alone. What I'm saying is that the area needs to be leveled and started over fresh.

(every backwoods village has aks, i promise)