Should poor people have kids?

[BrokenQuill92]

That is one heck of an enigma, BrokenQuill92, that many tried to untangle. My guess is that some people just love walking around with diapers up to their knees and having a house full of kids that they can't afford.

I remember once watching some TV segment about a family of 15 in a flat with two rooms, but at the time of the filming of that segment they were down to "only" like 6 kids and dad was thinking of buying smaller apartment, now that the family is "small".

That’s crazy. I was even kinda thinking about it with my favorite fictional family. The Weasleys.

[Rev. Rye]

But I'm not sure it's preventable.

I think your Irishness is starting to show, Boru. Birth control is an option, and if it isn't, there's something horribly wrong with your society. Not you, of course, unless you're one of the fuckers making laws keeping them out of reach.

In all seriousness, as an antinatalist, I don't particularly trust the goodness of procreation, and there's times where I had the idea of "licensed parenthood." You want to raise your kids, you need a license proving you're fit to take care of them (if you have children without a license, no harm, no foul, it just goes into the adoption system), and I think it'd need to be at least harder than the driver's license exam. After all, if you fuck up while driving, you probably kill people, and eventually, as the last people affected by it die off, it ceases to matter. You fuck up as a parent, if your kids don't take the initiative to unfuck themselves before you have grandkids, that shit reverberates across generations. I'm a big fan of Last Podcast on the Left, and many of their true crime episodes showcase how the effects of a horrible upbringing can lead to complete motherfucking disaster (e.g. Fred and Rosemary West, Ed Gein, David Berg of the Children of God, Robert Pickton, Richard Kuklinski, and Joseph Kallinger's upbringing really takes the cake); and yes, I know most cases just lead to the kids being fucked up in a more mundane way (see Christopher Titus), but that doesn't quite detract from my point. And as anyone who's been following the Ethan Crouch affluenza case knows, rich parents can fuck up too, just in very different ways having less to do with their basic Maslovian needs.

I heard somewhere (full disclosure, it was Dennis Miller, back when he was funny and not a right-wing shill) parenting's probably one of the hardest jobs to do, but the easiest job to get; you fuck up once and it's yours for life. Sadly, this plan is almost guaranteed to never be put into practice.

[BrokenQuill92]

But I'm not sure it's preventable.

I think your Irishness is starting to show, Boru. Birth control is an option, and if it isn't, there's something horribly wrong with your society. Not you, of course, unless you're one of the fuckers making laws keeping them out of reach.

In all seriousness, as an antinatalist, I don't particularly trust the goodness of procreation, and there's times where I had the idea of "licensed parenthood." You want to raise your kids, you need a license proving you're fit to take care of them (if you have children without a license, no harm, no foul, it just goes into the adoption system), and I think it'd need to be at least harder than the driver's license exam. After all, if you fuck up while driving, you probably kill people, and eventually, as the last people affected by it die off, it ceases to matter. You fuck up as a parent, if your kids don't take the initiative to unfuck themselves before you have grandkids, that shit reverberates across generations. I'm a big fan of Last Podcast on the Left, and many of their true crime episodes showcase how the effects of a horrible upbringing can lead to complete motherfucking disaster (e.g. Fred and Rosemary West, Ed Gein, David Berg of the Children of God, Robert Pickton, Richard Kuklinski, and Joseph Kallinger's upbringing really takes the cake); and yes, I know most cases just lead to the kids being fucked up in a more mundane way (see Christopher Titus), but that doesn't quite detract from my point. And as anyone who's been following the Ethan Crouch affluenza case knows, rich parents can fuck up too, just in very different ways having less to do with their basic Maslovian needs.

I heard somewhere (full disclosure, it was Dennis Miller, back when he was funny and not a right-wing shill) parenting's probably one of the hardest jobs to do, but the easiest job to get; you fuck up once and it's yours for life. Sadly, this plan is almost guaranteed to never be put into practice.

Parenting license sounds like a good idea in theory, but it has so many eugenic concepts attached to it, and the only just stopped sterilization of people it deemed unfit.

[Rev. Rye]

Parenting license sounds like a good idea in theory, but it has so many eugenic concepts attached to it, and the only just stopped sterilization of people it deemed unfit.

Another good reason I realised that licensed parenthood isn't all it's cracked up to be. Sure, I did what I could to keep the focus on the nurture instead of the nature (testing like the driver's license focusing only on a person or couple's own skills and not those of their ancestors, no penalties for unlicensed parenthood outside of losing your kids), but if it's too tainted by eugenical bullshit to catch on, it probably isn't worth it.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

[BrokenQuill92]

Parenting license sounds like a good idea in theory, but it has so many eugenic concepts attached to it, and the only just stopped sterilization of people it deemed unfit.

Another good reason I realised that licensed parenthood isn't all it's cracked up to be. Sure, I did what I could to keep the focus on the nurture instead of the nature (testing like the driver's license focusing only on a person or couple's own skills and not those of their ancestors, no penalties for unlicensed parenthood outside of losing your kids), but if it's too tainted by eugenical bullshit to catch on, it probably isn't worth it.

Disabled, non-whites, and yes the poor would be first on the chopping block

[Rev. Rye]

Yeah, if it's going to discriminate against the poor (and, well, anyone who wouldn't last long in Berlin in the early forties), with no measures to help the communities affected rise above their flaws, it's definitely not worth it. It's a shame America's government seems to only give a shit about change if it gives them a good excuse to fuck with people.

[Apathyst]

And if we ran short for affording anything we put physical distance between the two of us, because there’s also phone sex and FaceTime.

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There are several other options not requiring purchase or physical separation to avoid unwanted pregnancy as well. Huh kids these days...🤣✌️

[BrokenQuill92]

And if we ran short for affording anything we put physical distance between the two of us, because there’s also phone sex and FaceTime.

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There are several other options not requiring purchase or physical separation to avoid unwanted pregnancy as well. Huh kids these days...🤣✌️

😊we were kinda crazy horny. I was new at it and wanted to try EVERYTHING. And since I didn’t care for half measures distance from my weird kinky little self was best. If I had to wait he knew I would a total nympho once we bought more condoms.