The brazen bull in the Quran?

[WinterHold]

The brazen bull has a door used to stuff people inside; so it would make a lot of sense that offerings were stuffed inside before it became a torture instrument.

Assumimg the Brazen Bull was a thing and that it was Greek, it wouldn't have been used for offerings.  The Greeks did their burnt offerings on an open altar outside the appropriate temple.  There's no record (or reason to believe) that they did it inside a metal bull.

Boru

A second detailed mention of the calf's incident in the Quran says:

Sura 20, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 94 )   [Aaron] said, "O son of my mother, do not seize [me] by my beard or by my head. Indeed, I feared that you would say, 'You caused division among the Children of Israel, and you did not observe [or await] my word.' "
( 95 )   [Moses] said, "And what is your case, O Samiri?"
( 96 )   He said, "I saw what they did not see, so I took a handful [of dust] from the track of the messenger and threw it, and thus did my soul entice me."
( 97 )   [Moses] said, "Then go. And indeed, it is [decreed] for you in [this] life to say, 'No contact.' And indeed, you have an appointment [in the Hereafter] you will not fail to keep. And look at your 'god' to which you remained devoted. We will surely burn it and blow it into the sea with a blast.

Samiri was the person responsible for the calf.
While so many scholars say that the messenger is "Gabriel the angel"; I believe the messenger is Moses -peace be upon him- himself.

In other words; Samiri saw Moses leaving and took the dust from his track then applied it to the calf's material.

Ironically, so many people still use this method to gain blessings.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

What’s that got to do with your contention that the Brazen Bull was used for burnt offerings?

Boru

[WinterHold]

What’s that got to do with your contention that the Brazen Bull was used for burnt offerings?

Boru

If the Golden Calf was built this way; we can understand where the idea of the offerings might've came from.

Samiri threw dust from the track of Moses; later Greeks used to throw people instead inside the bull.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

What’s that got to do with your contention that the Brazen Bull was used for burnt offerings?

Boru

If the Golden Calf was built this way; we can understand where the idea of the offerings might've came from.

Samiri threw dust from the track of Moses; later Greeks used to throw people instead inside the bull.

But the golden calf wasn’t built that way. It was solid - you couldn’t have put anything in it if you wanted to. And there’s no evidence that the Israelites made their burnt offerings on anything but an altar.

Boru

[WinterHold]

[Smile face added by BrianSoddingBoru4 and not by WinterHold]


If the Golden Calf was built this way; we can understand where the idea of the offerings might've came from.

Samiri threw dust from the track of Moses; later Greeks used to throw people instead inside the bull.

But the golden calf wasn’t built that way. It was solid - you couldn’t have put anything in it if you wanted to. And there’s no evidence that the Israelites made their burnt offerings on anything but an altar.

Boru

That's why I used the word "evolved". According to the Quranic story; Samiri threw dust collected from the track of the messenger on the materials used to create the calf.

The calf was destroyed then by Moses. I can easily picture the idea evolving to include using human scapegoats instead of the dust.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

But the Greeks (assuming again the the Brazen Bull was a real thing) didn’t put people in it as a sacrifice. 

You’re attempting to make a connection where there isn’t one.

Boru

[WinterHold]

But the Greeks (assuming again the the Brazen Bull was a real thing) didn’t put people in it as a sacrifice. 

You’re attempting to make a connection where there isn’t one.

Boru

But this comes in:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016...-sacrifice

Skeletal remains 'confirm ancient Greeks engaged in human sacrifice'

It's hard to oust the possibility of an ancient heathen society being engaged in human sacrifice.

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There's this link also:

https://www.newsweek.com/ancient-greece-...ice-755549

Ancient Greece: "Shocking" Dismembered Human Skull Reveals Long-Debated Ritual Sacrifice of Virgins

[arewethereyet]

But the Greeks (assuming again the the Brazen Bull was a real thing) didn’t put people in it as a sacrifice. 

You’re attempting to make a connection where there isn’t one.

Boru

But this comes in:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016...-sacrifice

Skeletal remains 'confirm ancient Greeks engaged in human sacrifice'

It's hard to oust the possibility of an ancient heathen society being engaged in human sacrifice.

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There's this link also:

https://www.newsweek.com/ancient-greece-...ice-755549

Ancient Greece: "Shocking" Dismembered Human Skull Reveals Long-Debated Ritual Sacrifice of Virgins

How can you tell a skull belonged to a virgin?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

But the Greeks (assuming again the the Brazen Bull was a real thing) didn’t put people in it as a sacrifice. 

You’re attempting to make a connection where there isn’t one.

Boru

But this comes in:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016...-sacrifice

Skeletal remains 'confirm ancient Greeks engaged in human sacrifice'

It's hard to oust the possibility of an ancient heathen society being engaged in human sacrifice.

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There's this link also:

https://www.newsweek.com/ancient-greece-...ice-755549

Ancient Greece: "Shocking" Dismembered Human Skull Reveals Long-Debated Ritual Sacrifice of Virgins

I didn't say the Greeks didn't engage in human sacrifice.  I said their sacrifices took place on an altar, not inside a bronze bull.  Read your article.

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

I always assume holy texts are brazen bull...