A possibly new perspective on this thing that we know as God.

[Nay_Sayer]

@Unity I can't correctly reply to your quote wall;

1: Of course FSM is beyond those things, XE just doesn't like to brag.

2: I am unfamiliar with the baha'i or bath tub as I will call it faith, Only that it is wrong.

3: Whatever your taking, Lower the dosage

4: May FSM warm your cold heart. RAmen

[Anomalocaris]

Hi.

So the perspective that I have is that, we will never fully and completely know God.

The only way to know God is to know His names and attributes.

Even though the human being is an animal just like all other species, we are distinct because we have a divine reality.

The human being has the potential to display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, that's what makes us have dominion over the animal.

The names and attributes of God are basically all of the good qualities that is possible for the human being to have, it's just that society doesn't call them that.

The human being is the most perfect of all creation.

[EgoDeath]

You said: "So, for the sake of total clarity, do you think we will never discover god"?

Yes, we actually discover God every day through human beings.

Wait... You just said, "So the perspective that I have is that, we will never fully and completely know God."

But now you're saying that we can "discover god every day through human beings."

Which one is it?

And what does discovering god every day through human beings actually mean, specifically?

You said "I mean we first have to establish that a god exists in order for one to somehow have a relationship with that god."

We establish that God exists by listening to the divine teachings of the current Prophet / Messenger / Manifestation.

How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?

You said: "Furthermore, even if a god did exist, how do you know it would be interested in having some kind of psychic relationship with you?"

Well as I said earlier God is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know, so we will never know God completely, that is His core essence.

How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"

Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense.

But by knowing the human reality, we can know a good number of things about God. And this is especially true with the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.

What does "knowing human reality" even mean? Be specific. And how do you know anything about god?

[LastPoet]

@EgoDeath Dude, you are late to the party

It's a bah'ai stuff, it falls in line with the usual schtick, no different from the other religions.

[EgoDeath]

@LastPoet

I'm trying to tease that out for myself. Who knows... maybe he/she will realize how nonsensical it is.

[unityconversation]

You said: "So, for the sake of total clarity, do you think we will never discover god"?

Yes, we actually discover God every day through human beings.

Wait... You just said, "So the perspective that I have is that, we will never fully and completely know God."

But now you're saying that we can "discover god every day through human beings."

Which one is it?

And what does discovering god every day through human beings actually mean, specifically?

You said "I mean we first have to establish that a god exists in order for one to somehow have a relationship with that god."

We establish that God exists by listening to the divine teachings of the current Prophet / Messenger / Manifestation.

How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?

You said: "Furthermore, even if a god did exist, how do you know it would be interested in having some kind of psychic relationship with you?"

Well as I said earlier God is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know, so we will never know God completely, that is His core essence.

How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"

Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense.

But by knowing the human reality, we can know a good number of things about God. And this is especially true with the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.

What does "knowing human reality" even mean? Be specific. And how do you know anything about god?

You said: How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?

It is the combination of the divine teachings and the life of the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations that prove the existence of God.

Even though the common human being can display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, there is a level beyond that.

The Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations can manifest the names and attributes of God to the physical world at the highest level "perfectly."

So the thing is, if you "really" want to know God, the "absolute" best way to do that is to know the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.


You said: "How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"

We know that through the teachings of Baha'u'llah. He is the current divine educator of God for this time and age.


You said: "Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense."

We can't know God in terms of His core essence, that will never be known. But the other things of God like His names and attributes can be known. And we discover those every day with human beings.

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Wait... You just said, "So the perspective that I have is that, we will never fully and completely know God."

But now you're saying that we can "discover god every day through human beings."

Which one is it?

And what does discovering god every day through human beings actually mean, specifically?


How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?


How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"

Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense.


What does "knowing human reality" even mean? Be specific. And how do you know anything about god?

You said: How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?

It is the combination of the divine teachings and the life of the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations that prove the existence of God.

Even though the common human being can display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, there is a level beyond that.

The Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations can manifest the names and attributes of God to the physical world at the highest level "perfectly."

So the thing is, if you "really" want to know God, the "absolute" best way to do that is to know the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.


You said: "How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"

We know that through the teachings of Baha'u'llah. He is the current divine educator of God for this time and age.


You said: "Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense."

We can't know God in terms of His core essence, that will never be known. But the other things of God like His names and attributes can be known. And we discover those every day with human beings.

The human reality just means the spiritual reality of the human being, not physical. The spiritual reality of the human being are things like the divine qualities that we display and manifest to the physical world.

[Fake Messiah]

Even though the common human being can display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, there is a level beyond that.

No real human individual is quite so irredeemably nasty as to combine all of the attributes of God: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Although some do try.

You said: "How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"

We know that through the teachings of Baha'u'llah. He is the current divine educator of God for this time and age.

Oh the invisible, immaterial God in another dimension (someone obviously hasn't visited Carl Sagan's garage).

[unityconversation]

Even though the common human being can display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, there is a level beyond that.

No real human individual is quite so irredeemably nasty as to combine all of the attributes of God: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Although some do try.

You said: "How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"

We know that through the teachings of Baha'u'llah. He is the current divine educator of God for this time and age.

Oh the invisible, immaterial God in another dimension (someone obviously hasn't visited Carl Sagan's garage).

You said: "No real human individual is quite so irredeemably nasty as to combine all of the attributes of God: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Although some do try."

Actually those are attributes of the animal.


The best way to "see" God, is to see the human being.
We are manifesting God all the time.

[Abaddon_ire]

Wait... You just said, "So the perspective that I have is that, we will never fully and completely know God."

But now you're saying that we can "discover god every day through human beings."

Which one is it?

And what does discovering god every day through human beings actually mean, specifically?


How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?


How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"

Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense.


What does "knowing human reality" even mean? Be specific. And how do you know anything about god?

You said: How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?

Sure. How do they? You think you have answered that, but have you? Lets find out.

It is the combination of the divine teachings and the life of the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations that prove the existence of God.

What divine teachings? Whose divine teachings? Every single one of them so far is immoral. Mo was a blatant warlord, jebus was jewish end times proponent, and so on. not a single one of them got anything right. So where exactly are these magic prophets that somehow know the mind of god?

Even though the common human being can display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, there is a level beyond that.

That is a direct claim. Provide evidence for that claim. You will not because you cannot and you know it.

The Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations can manifest the names and attributes of God to the physical world at the highest level "perfectly."

Another claim. Was jebus manifesting god when he never condemned slavery? Was mo manifesting god when he engaged in paedophilia?

So the thing is, if you "really" want to know God, the "absolute" best way to do that is to know the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.

All of them are obvious cunts of the highest order. Why would anyone put any credence in them?

You said: "How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"

We know that through the teachings of Baha'u'llah. He is the current divine educator of God for this time and age.

Another baseless claim. Can you demonstrate that Bwahahahahahaha is even an educator? Of course not.

You said: "Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense."

We can't know God in terms of His core essence, that will never be known.

But the other things of God like His names and attributes can be known. And we discover those every day with human beings.
What "names and attributes"? You dodge those every time.

You said: How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?

It is the combination of the divine teachings and the life of the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations that prove the existence of God.

Even though the common human being can display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, there is a level beyond that.

The Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations can manifest the names and attributes of God to the physical world at the highest level "perfectly."

So the thing is, if you "really" want to know God, the "absolute" best way to do that is to know the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.

Bull. All of your claimed prophets are immoral. How do we know this? Because morality depends on no god at all.

You said: "How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"

We know that through the teachings of Baha'u'llah. He is the current divine educator of God for this time and age.

So some bloke in pretty robes said so? I think not.

Frankly, all you have is unevidenced claims. Rock on back when you have anything remotely approximating actual evidence. Right now all you have is "some bloke said so" and that is it. Nothing more.

You said: "Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense."

We can't know God in terms of His core essence, that will never be known. But the other things of God like His names and attributes can be known. And we discover those every day with human beings.

Horseshit. Obvious horseshit.

Want to know why? Of course you don't

The human reality just means the spiritual reality of the human being, not physical. The spiritual reality of the human being are things like the divine qualities that we display and manifest to the physical world.

Define what "spiritual" means, then demonstrate it to exist. You will refuse to do so because you cannot.

Spiritual is a shibboleth that you attempt to foist upon all and sundry. You are making it all up out of whole cloth.

[unityconversation]

You said: How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?

Sure. How do they? You think you have answered that, but have you? Lets find out.

It is the combination of the divine teachings and the life of the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations that prove the existence of God.

What divine teachings? Whose divine teachings? Every single one of them so far is immoral. Mo was a blatant warlord, jebus was jewish end times proponent, and so on. not a single one of them got anything right. So where exactly are these magic prophets that somehow know the mind of god?

Even though the common human being can display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, there is a level beyond that.

That is a direct claim. Provide evidence for that claim. You will not because you cannot and you know it.

The Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations can manifest the names and attributes of God to the physical world at the highest level "perfectly."

Another claim. Was jebus manifesting god when he never condemned slavery? Was mo manifesting god when he engaged in paedophilia?

So the thing is, if you "really" want to know God, the "absolute" best way to do that is to know the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.

All of them are obvious cunts of the highest order. Why would anyone put any credence in them?

You said: "How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"

We know that through the teachings of Baha'u'llah. He is the current divine educator of God for this time and age.

Another baseless claim. Can you demonstrate that Bwahahahahahaha is even an educator? Of course not.

You said: "Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense."

We can't know God in terms of His core essence, that will never be known.

But the other things of God like His names and attributes can be known. And we discover those every day with human beings.
What "names and attributes"? You dodge those every time.

You said: How do divine teachings prove the existence of god?

It is the combination of the divine teachings and the life of the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations that prove the existence of God.

Even though the common human being can display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, there is a level beyond that.

The Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations can manifest the names and attributes of God to the physical world at the highest level "perfectly."

So the thing is, if you "really" want to know God, the "absolute" best way to do that is to know the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.

Bull. All of your claimed prophets are immoral. How do we know this? Because morality depends on no god at all.

You said: "How do you know that god "is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know"

We know that through the teachings of Baha'u'llah. He is the current divine educator of God for this time and age.

So some bloke in pretty robes said so? I think not.

Frankly, all you have is unevidenced claims. Rock on back when you have anything remotely approximating actual evidence. Right now all you have is "some bloke said so" and that is it. Nothing more.

You said: "Also, you just said that we can discover god every day through humans, but now you're saying we can never fully know god... Which one is it? What is the difference between discovering and knowing god? You're not making any sense."

We can't know God in terms of His core essence, that will never be known. But the other things of God like His names and attributes can be known. And we discover those every day with human beings.

Horseshit. Obvious horseshit.

Want to know why? Of course you don't

The human reality just means the spiritual reality of the human being, not physical. The spiritual reality of the human being are things like the divine qualities that we display and manifest to the physical world.

Define what "spiritual" means, then demonstrate it to exist. You will refuse to do so because you cannot.

Spiritual is a shibboleth that you attempt to foist upon all and sundry. You are making it all up out of whole cloth.

Hey Abaddon_ire could you do me a favor?

Post your replies again but in a new separate post.

The format of the forum is starting to get a little confusing.