So, what is it that Trump should have done differently?

[Mr Greene]

Trump is clearly following the four-stage strategy.

[Fake Messiah]

What Trump should have done is not to incite people to do this
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[Prof.Lunaphiles]

Because we have a system so corrupted by partisanship that the Reps won't do what is necessary for the good of the country. The failure of democracies tends to happen when demogogues get power from the populace.

The end is near.
The system is corrupted by political partisan strategies, because it is inadequately designed. The founders only had one simple formula, and a lack of understanding a full government security system; nor the sophisticated manpower, nor the modern notation formatting that is necessary for the better rendering and understanding of the government organization and subsequent legal code.
The Dems won't do what is necessary for the good of the country., because all they care about is blaming the Reps for not doing what the Dems should have done. It's a completely cyclic system that keeps the average citizens uninformed and easily lead by showmen.
There are scholars and political pundits describing that we are in a "cold civil war."
Suppose the United States fails - what happens next? Not sure? Need someone to explain it to you? Do you need the federal government to issue a warning system for you to know what to do?
It is not that difficult to figure out.

The first step is to offer a peace treaty to avoid an actual violent war; which is going to be a reorganization of the government. The design of the republic that you so dearly care about was for a much simpler and less diverse society - we need a new way of deliberating social issues that better reveals the truth and justifies the policy resolutions for those who believe that they are being alienated by the resolution.

It is a real shame that atheists are not collectively ahead of the curve on this. Most of the people doing the research and development of amendments, which are not going to solve the underlying problem of partisan strategizing and policy justification, are Christians, but none the less, they are doing something that is much more advanced then what atheists focus on in the government. And yet, atheists tend to champion that they are the better thinkers make no mistake about every couple of years when somebody publishes a study that atheists are more intelligent than theists, atheists have circle jerks at the Internet forums they frequent for companionship.

You have no idea how lucky you are that I am an atheist, and that I am years ahead of the Christians.

Should there be a civil war, at the end of the war there will be a peace treaty negotiated that will reorganize the government to better accommodate the deliberation of truth and justification of policy resolutions, because the thinkers will recognize that the 1787 Constitution, and the subsequent state charters are all chaotic, and lead the nation into a civil war; and the charters all need to be reordered using the modern technology that we have that the previous generations did not have. And we need to have a convention venue that gathers the diversity of people to the table to do what it is the non-whites and women think they can do better than the racist white slave owners.

[The Grand Nudger]

If the us falls, china becomes global hegemon just a few years ahead of schedule.  That's what happens next.  Countries that are still intact will send aid shipments to the newest member of third world status, us.

It's unclear how this relates to atheism, how any onus is on atheism, or that atheists would be in place to effect some other outcome...even if the previous two items weren't so much of a stretch.  Your mention of christian dominionism in our government doesn't really fit into that context, while simultaneously explaining both how and why atheists aren't in a position to prevent the outcome.

This is before we poll atheists to see whether they would or do advocate against it.  Are we expecting to find a significant number of atheists who advocate for more dominionist policies that drive us closer to some hypothetical civil war?  Speaking of..who is going to fight it?  The morbidly obese middle aged idiots posing for pictures with their toy guns on the backdrop of the stars and bars - just super duper upset about how they can't get fuel for the boat on account of the rona?  





The kind of hardened militants that give us trouble, in our hypothetical civil war dystopia, haven't even been born yet - though I would absolutely agree that these sorts of people are a real concern that we might want to strangle in the metaphoric crib.

[Prof.Lunaphiles]

If the us falls, china becomes global hegemon just a few years ahead of schedule.  That's what happens next.

That is not how it is going to go - way too much business in America.

This is before we poll atheists to see whether they would or do advocate against it.  Are we expecting to find a significant number of atheists who advocate for more dominionist policies that drive us closer to some hypothetical civil war?  Speaking of..who is going to fight it?  The morbidly obese middle aged idiots posing for pictures with their toy guns on the backdrop of the stars and bars - just super duper upset about how they can't get fuel for the boat on account of the rona?

The atheists polling and deliberation apparatus is way behind schedule - there is no reason to trust the surveys conducted by Christians, and the rest.

[polymath257]

Because we have a system so corrupted by partisanship that the Reps won't do what is necessary for the good of the country. The failure of democracies tends to happen when demogogues get power from the populace.

The end is near.
The system is corrupted by political partisan strategies, because it is inadequately designed. The founders only had one simple formula, and a lack of understanding a full government security system; nor the sophisticated manpower, nor the modern notation formatting that is necessary for the better rendering and understanding of the government organization and subsequent legal code.
The Dems won't do what is necessary for the good of the country., because all they care about is blaming the Reps for not doing what the Dems should have done. It's a completely cyclic system that keeps the average citizens uninformed and easily lead by showmen.
There are scholars and political pundits describing that we are in a "cold civil war."
Suppose the United States fails - what happens next? Not sure? Need someone to explain it to you? Do you need the federal government to issue a warning system for you to know what to do?
It is not that difficult to figure out.

The first step is to offer a peace treaty to avoid an actual violent war; which is going to be a reorganization of the government. The design of the republic that you so dearly care about was for a much simpler and less diverse society - we need a new way of deliberating social issues that better reveals the truth and justifies the policy resolutions for those who believe that they are being alienated by the resolution.

It is a real shame that atheists are not collectively ahead of the curve on this. Most of the people doing the research and development of amendments, which are not going to solve the underlying problem of partisan strategizing and policy justification, are Christians, but none the less, they are doing something that is much more advanced then what atheists focus on in the government. And yet, atheists tend to champion that they are the better thinkers  make no mistake about every couple of years when somebody publishes a study that atheists are more intelligent than theists, atheists have circle jerks at the  Internet forums they frequent for companionship.

You have no idea how lucky you are that I am an atheist, and that I am years ahead of the Christians.

Should there be a civil war, at the end of the war there will be a peace treaty negotiated that will reorganize the government to better accommodate the deliberation of truth and justification of policy resolutions, because the thinkers will recognize that the 1787 Constitution, and the subsequent state charters are all chaotic, and lead the nation into a civil war; and the charters all need to be reordered using the modern technology that we have that the previous generations did not have. And we need to have a convention venue that gathers the diversity of people to the table to do what it is the non-whites and women think they can do better than the racist white slave owners.

I see it as much more likely that the territory of the USA will be divided into two or more states. Then we shall see which of the resulting states manages to keep stability over the next decades. I'm betting dumbif**kstan won't be in good shape.

[Mr Greene]

China has been stockpiling gold for over a decade, if the US goes down it's not a huge problem for China.

[The Grand Nudger]

That is not how it is going to go - way too much business in America.

Not in post-us neo-confederate dystopia..there isn't.  That is what you wanted me to consider, correct?

The atheists polling and deliberation apparatus is way behind schedule - there is no reason to trust the surveys conducted by Christians, and the rest.

I must have misplaced my copy of the atheist schedule.

[Prof.Lunaphiles]

Plenty of city council members are mouthbreathers, for sure.  So what?  Those mouth breathers aren't the president of the united states.  

They are responsible for representing their constituents, and that includes regulating local health laws and emergency situations. It is very bizarre that you avoid recognizing that aspect of a three-level governing system. If they are irrelevant then why pay their salaries and election organization???

Those mouth breathers do not have command of the immense power of the united states government, are not responsible for foreign policy, nor do they command the armed forces.  Some other mouth breather does that, and if the best we can do is to say that some low level city council mouthbreather does the same stupid shit that the moutbreather occupying the office of the presidency does...we're not exactly absolving the president of anything.

They do not have the power to regulate activities outside their jurisdiction; but they do have the power to set the example for other jurisdictions to emulate. All the President could do with his power that would have been completely rejected by you, would have been to issue mandatory residential isolation, enforced by martial law; and of course, to satisfy your lusts, he would have to issue the wartime production of ventilators for people who are going to die, because of their underlying health problems that weaken their immune system.

One is left to wonder exactly what trump would have to do to be held uniquely responsible for his own uniquely unqualified actions before a trumpit thought he fucked up.  Accidentally hit the red button while trying to order a burger?  Is that enough?  Or do we blame the engineers who made the bomb and the technicians who rigged the football or the handlers who keep the president moving from nap-time to arts and crafts?  Maybe some other country's government, for failing to shoot it down?

You have been posting a lot, lately, and your ability to compose decent reading is declining. It's a sham, genius, wake the fuck up. The government is not adequately designed to deliberate and justify policy resolutions; which would more accurately describe incompetency and resolution of any security officer.

In this country of personal responsibility, it is appalling that the person in the position of being responsible for so much simply doesn't believe in responsibility, and more tragic still that those to whom and for whom he is explicitly responsible are willing to accept such a notion.

What the fuck are you trying to describe - country of personal responsibility???

How about you picking up the ball of personal responsibility. You obviously believe that you are smart, and can write shit - I can understand your essays - they are pretty good. But you are not going anywhere, because you are not willing to take responsibility for trying to solve problems before they happen - you are a 20/20 hindsight troll.

The problem is the government is improperly designed for a sophisticated and diverse society that expects a rational deliberation process and justification of policy resolutions.

Now, do you expect the President to generate a solution to the real problem with government?


By the way, are you in favor of Joe Biden for president?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Bit of advice for the professor: once you resort to invective and abuse, you’ve lost the argument.

Pack it in, old lovey. You’re out of your depth.

Boru