Islam

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

First off, no one is sent to prison for 15-20 years for lifting a box of pencils or a stick of gum (not in civilized countries, at least). Different degrees of theft merit different penalties. Yet you clearly said earlier that the level of the theft doesn't matter - you would cut off a hand over a stick of gum (bar forgiveness, which is beside the point).

Actually you are wrong according to American law:

https://www.federalcharges.com/bank-robb...s-charges/

• Any person who enters a building used in whole or in part as a bank with the intent to forcibly remove funds or commit any felony that will affect the institution could face a serious fine and up to 20 years in prison. This includes simply walking into a bank and handing a note to a teller.
  
• In instances where a robbery places another person’s life in jeopardy or involves assault, a more serious fine and up to 25 years in prison are possible. This includes making threats, using any weapon during a robbery, and even using toy weapons during a robbery.
  
• Those who receive, conceal, or otherwise accept anything taken from a bank could face a fine and as much as 10 years in prison.
  
• Robberies that involve a perpetrator killing another person or abducting them could face even more serious penalties, including life imprisonment or even the death penalty.
  

So yes; the law of America does send people to 20 years or even life behind bars for robbery.
As for cutting the hand of the grown up thieve, then they should not steal or rob in the first place. Just like the American law might throw a man for years and years in a concrete box over walking into a building.

In America and the west; forgiveness from the victim is not even on the list as a waiver for the convict.
Ask me about how one restores their missing hand; and I'll tell you about how one restores their psychological sanity after being raped and thrown in a box with dangerous criminals.

Mister Agenda brought up wrongful conviction earlier, and you haven't addressed it.  I'd like you to do so now.

Suppose Joe is accused of stealing a packet of sticky notes from his office.  He is fired and the company decides to prosecute.  Joe is convicted and has to pay a small fine (and look for another job). Later, it is discovered that Joe didn't steal the stickies after all.  He is reinstated in his job and his fine is remitted to him.

How would your system replace his hand?

Boru

My system would require top-notch investigation; then. But the missing hand? again; I'll ask you about the raped convicts locked in concrete boxes.
Robbery is not to be tolerated under Islam. But so as wrong sentences and playing with peoples' blood. Investigation should be the best of qualities in the whole world, and forgiveness must be always recited to the victim.

Thank you for not answering my question, for bringing up irrelevancies, and for your continued efforts to apply medieval justice to 21st century society.

You are nothing if not consistent.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

I like how he keeps comparing his god to the great satan. You have to wonder why it is that he hates the one and worships the other...and which is which, for that matter.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Not to mention comparing bank robbery to lifting a stick of gum.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Most countries reject me already because I have Multiple Sclerosis.
As it seems the medication is quite expensive, so without a medical waiver my application is doomed. I can't find somebody who would give me the waiver; though.

It's tough.

The US doesn't reject applications on account of MS.  I doubt that many, if any, western™ countries has such a policy.

[The Architect Of Fate]

So yes; the law of America does send people to 20 years or even life behind bars for robbery.

Some robbery 

As for cutting the hand of the grown up thieve, then they should not steal or rob in the first place.

Not a justification for mutilating someone 

 Just like the American law might throw a man for years and years in a concrete box over walking into a building.

WTF

In America and the west; forgiveness from the victim is not even on the list as a waiver for the convict.

For good reason 

Ask me about how one restores their missing hand;

You can't 

 and I'll tell you about how one restores their psychological sanity after being raped and thrown in a box with dangerous criminals.

Prison is still better then mutilating someone

[Deesse23]

Not to mention comparing bank robbery to lifting a stick of gum.

Boru

Not to mention equating theft with robbery, claiming that everyone in jail gets raped, arguing that cutting ones hand off is still "better" than that (unevidenced claim), claiming that releasing someone after x years of jail is "less forgiving" than chopping his hand off, that "forgiving" is his lame excuse for whatever atrocity he is advocating ("...but i forgave him after cutting his dick  hand off, seriously, i forgave him!".

Not to mention bringing MURDER during robbery and the following life sentence to the table, which is just another of his more dishonest equivocations.

[The Grand Nudger]

Prison is for keeping people from hurting other people. Prison can be improved and the list of things that get a person sent to prison can be refined, obviously.

If Winter has these sorts of reservations about prisons, he's condemning his own god by reference to our example.

[The Architect Of Fate]

My system would require top-notch investigation; 

Does not matter 

then. But the missing hand? again; I'll ask you about the raped convicts locked in concrete boxes.

Whataboutism 

Robbery is not to be tolerated under Islam.

It's not tolerated anywhere 

 But so as wrong sentences and playing with peoples' blood.

Same as anywhere 

 Investigation should be the best of qualities in the whole world,

The only sane thing you have said 

 and forgiveness must be always recited to the victim.

NO

[Deesse23]

Most countries reject me already because I have Multiple Sclerosis.
As it seems the medication is quite expensive, so without a medical waiver my application is doomed. I can't find somebody who would give me the waiver; though.

It's tough.

The US doesn't reject applications on account of MS.  I doubt that many, if any, western™ countries has such a policy.

He is a particularly disgusting individual, since he repeatedly is trying to hide behind his (alleged) disease. He could be sitting in a wheelchair, and he is still advocating barbarism. I dont care what disability he has or not, he is a terrible human being with terrible and hurtful beliefs. Beliefs that have to be kept in check for the sake of humanity.

[WinterHold]

Actually you are wrong according to American law:

https://www.federalcharges.com/bank-robb...s-charges/




So yes; the law of America does send people to 20 years or even life behind bars for robbery.
As for cutting the hand of the grown up thieve, then they should not steal or rob in the first place. Just like the American law might throw a man for years and years in a concrete box over walking into a building.

In America and the west; forgiveness from the victim is not even on the list as a waiver for the convict.
Ask me about how one restores their missing hand; and I'll tell you about how one restores their psychological sanity after being raped and thrown in a box with dangerous criminals.


My system would require top-notch investigation; then. But the missing hand? again; I'll ask you about the raped convicts locked in concrete boxes.
Robbery is not to be tolerated under Islam. But so as wrong sentences and playing with peoples' blood. Investigation should be the best of qualities in the whole world, and forgiveness must be always recited to the victim.

Thank you for not answering my question, for bringing up irrelevancies, and for your continued efforts to apply medieval justice to 21st century society.

You are nothing if not consistent.

Boru

I did answer both of your questions.