God so hated the world

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

What a stupid question.

Boru

Why don't you either answer the stupid question or let us know why you are so quick to avoid it?

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I’ll do better - I’ll explain to you WHY it’s a stupid question.

Firstly, there are thousands of organizations and millions of individuals who make sincere, concerted efforts to alleviate hunger (look at the winner of this year’s Nobel Peace Prize). People ARE making a tremendous effort to feed other people in the short term and to decrease food insecurity in the long term, people they don’t know, people they have no reason to care about, people they’ve never met.

Secondly, God is alleged to love everyone (except Esau, which is understandable, I think - Esau was kind of a dick), to care about everyone, to be infinitely powerful. To let people starve when God has the ability to act to prevent it is an immoral act. It doesn’t have to involve dropping manna from the sky - God could simply prevent a drought or a cold snap. God could make the local warlord have a change of heart to let the food convoy go through.

Third and lastly, it’s a stupid question because you assume without any evidence or justification that people who ask why God doesn’t look after hungry people aren’t trying to look after hungry people themselves.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

In fairness, a god may be doing everything it can, and we just don't notice. This isn't a problem for the majority of gods that man has ever invented - the river goddess doesn't catch the charge for earthquakes, out of her aoe. With respect to the dominant monotheism of today, though - if this is what it looked like when god was doing it's level best to help....then people obviously have some malformed ideas about the extent of a gods abilities.

If there were a god of fish, or a god of small fruits - that would be of immense interest to producers. If a god could be enjoined to increase your harvest - that would be an ability that every producer would seek out. Among faithful producers, there is very often just such a belief, in greater or lesser forms. Asserted or merely hoped for. Transactional gods with eternally set pricing structures. Tell us about the god of fish, where can I find the god of small fruit? I have no use for a dead culture's wargod.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

In fairness, a god may be doing everything it can, and we just don't notice.  This isn't a problem for the majority of gods that man has ever invented - the river goddess doesn't catch the charge for earthquakes, out of her aoe.  With respect to the dominant monotheism of today, though - if this is what it looked like when god was doing it's level best to help....then people obviously have some malformed ideas about the extent of a gods abilities.

If there were a god of fish, or a god of small fruits - that would be of immense interest to producers.  If a god could be enjoined to increase your harvest - that would be an ability that every producer would seek out.  Among faithful producers, there is very often just such a belief, in greater or lesser forms.  Asserted or merely hoped for.  Transactional gods with eternally set pricing structures.  Tell us about the god of fish, where can I find the god of small fruit?  I have no use for a dead culture's wargod.

Pontus and Pomona, respectively.

Boru

[Angrboda]

A god  has such resources and chooses not too . So he must enjoy watching it  . I on the other hand do what i feel i can with my limited resources. So this sad attempt as shifting to avoid the question fails . 

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Speaking of shifting, why are you shifting the blame on God - why is it his responsibility?  Why is man allowing this to happen?

Are you suggesting that both God and man have moral responsibilities, because I'm pretty sure you've denied that.

[runewell]

Are you suggesting that both God and man have moral responsibilities, because I'm pretty sure you've denied that.

Before we can proceed, I think we need a crystal clear definition of "moral" - otherwise someone isn't going to agree and end up breaking out a second definition.  Is that possible?  If you need multiple definitions you can lay them out there, but then they might conflict.

[Angrboda]

Are you suggesting that both God and man have moral responsibilities, because I'm pretty sure you've denied that.

Before we can proceed, I think we need a crystal clear definition of "moral" - otherwise someone isn't going to agree and end up breaking out a second definition.  Is that possible?  If you need multiple definitions you can lay them out there, but then they might conflict.

Morals concerns the obligation to do what is right. Does God have an obligation to do what is right?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Before we can proceed, I think we need a crystal clear definition of "moral" - otherwise someone isn't going to agree and end up breaking out a second definition.  Is that possible?  If you need multiple definitions you can lay them out there, but then they might conflict.

Morals concerns the obligation to do what is right.  Does God have an obligation to do what is right?

Hear that? That’s the sound of an approaching dodge...

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

Yup dodge , duck and deflection . That's all he's got

[Greatest I am]

Are you suggesting that both God and man have moral responsibilities, because I'm pretty sure you've denied that.

Before we can proceed, I think we need a crystal clear definition of "moral" - otherwise someone isn't going to agree and end up breaking out a second definition.  Is that possible?  If you need multiple definitions you can lay them out there, but then they might conflict.

Do you think the dictionaries has screwed up the definitions?

If not, let's proceed with the usual definitions.

Tell us please, is it moral for a god who can just as easily cure, to kill instead of cure?

The Christian prick Yahweh is guilty of mass murder when he could have just as easily cured all the souls. 

Regards
DL

[Drich]

He hated his human creations so much that he drowned them all, thinking only one family was worthy of a second go via incest.

He hated us so much, that he preferred joining forces with the devil to torture poor Job.

He hates us so much that he allows the devil to live when he has no problems allowing children to starve, be raped, and die of cancer.

That is not a loving god. That is a monster.

better read genesis again sport. it says neiphiem roamed the earth and they brought a great evil of which the world has never seen before nor since. they flood was sent to kill them, and their worshipers. everyone else was saved by the ark.

what does what god allowed to happen to job have to do with the rest of us? plus God never said hurt job. in fact he put limits on what satan could do to job. Satan could have bought job out. gave him riches and women made him a rock star. satan's nature would not allow it. satan wanted to destroy god limited that.

this is not God's world. this world belongs to satan these bodies belong to satan. why should god interfere with any of us? remember the open to the book of Job? God asks satan what he was up to where had he been? what was satan's reply? did he say cooking souls in hell? no he was wandering the earth too and fro.. this world in satan's kingdom. not hell. when satan goes to hell it is for ever lasting torment.

a loving God provides a way out satan's mess for those who want out. not all want out or away from this master satan.