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God so hated the world
#31
RE: God so hated the world
(October 10, 2020 at 7:36 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
Quote:Of course you don't have the resources to feed every child on earth - but surely you could do more than you are now - so why are you allowing them to starve?  Do you enjoy watching them starve?
A god  has such resources and chooses not too . So he must enjoy watching it  . I on the other hand do what i feel i can with my limited resources. So this sad attempt as shifting to avoid the question fails . 


Speaking of shifting, why are you shifting the blame on God - why is it his responsibility?  Why is man allowing this to happen?
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#32
RE: God so hated the world
(October 10, 2020 at 7:56 pm)runewell Wrote:
(October 10, 2020 at 7:36 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: A god  has such resources and chooses not too . So he must enjoy watching it  . I on the other hand do what i feel i can with my limited resources. So this sad attempt as shifting to avoid the question fails . 


Speaking of shifting, why are you shifting the blame on God - why is it his responsibility?  Why is man allowing this to happen?
Not shifting pointing out . God could solve the issue chooses not too .Whether it's his responsibility or not is irrelevant to the fact he could but chooses not to . Man isn't allowing it to happen it tries to save them but human methods are imperfect and full of issues . None of this applies to a god .  So no it is you who is simply shifting the excuses . Your god could solve it . He doesn't , And this speaks volumes .

(note all this with a caveat  that such a being even exists)
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”

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#33
RE: God so hated the world
God is often presented as the zookeeper who blames his prisoners for the state of their cages.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#34
RE: God so hated the world
(October 10, 2020 at 8:07 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
(October 10, 2020 at 7:56 pm)runewell Wrote: Speaking of shifting, why are you shifting the blame on God - why is it his responsibility?  Why is man allowing this to happen?
Not shifting pointing out . God could solve the issue chooses not too .Whether it's his responsibility or not is irrelevant to the fact he could but chooses not to . Man isn't allowing it to happen it tries to save them but human methods are imperfect and full of issues . None of this applies to a god .  So no it is you who is simply shifting the excuses . Your god could solve it . He doesn't , And this speaks volumes .

(note all this with a caveat  that such a being even exists)

To make my job easy I'll just lift this from a site.  God doesn't need to intervene, man does.

Experts agree that there are enough food resources available in the world to feed everyone. So why are children starving? The distribution of those resources gets complicated by human failures. While all mankind should be responsible stewards of the earth and its resources, human greed, foolishness, inefficiency, bad strategy, improper infrastructure, etc., lead some people and nations to hoard and/or squander the food and money resources they have. We cannot blame God for the problems that we as humans cause by our fallen natures.
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#35
RE: God so hated the world
Just imagine if we had godly powers to solve those very real problems. In fact, that we could but don't is the source of your condemnation of man above - which is a terrible mistake. It makes god even more culpable than we are, as a creature who could, and could do more, and doesn't.

-but, ofc, that's holding this god of yours to a standard consistent with your own remarks - and obviously doesn't matter at all if you can agree that god is immoral - and that you don't actually care about that. It does seem senseless, though, that being the case, to harangue man for this that or the other thing. These issues don't concern you, and the defenses offered are not cogent with respect to your position on the issues.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#36
RE: God so hated the world
Quote:Experts agree that there are enough food resources available in the world to feed everyone. So why are children starving? The distribution of those resources gets complicated by human failures. While all mankind should be responsible stewards of the earth and its resources, human greed, foolishness, inefficiency, bad strategy, improper infrastructure, etc., lead some people and nations to hoard and/or squander the food and money resources they have. We cannot blame God for the problems that we as humans cause by our fallen natures.
Which is why i explicitly said imperfect . Nonetheless humans do try . And yes we can point out a god could solve this irregardless of humans . He simply chooses not too and he has none of those imperfections . Thus it is blameworthy .

(note all this with a caveat  that such a being even exists)
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”

[Image: flag-ukraine_1f1fa-1f1e6.png]  Heart [Image: canada-google.png]        

 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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#37
RE: God so hated the world
Well, I think that our new friend is getting his wires crossed anyway. No one blames god for hunger (though..ultimately....this is his playground), the notion here is that god is deficient for failing to help - as we would demand of ourselves. We can blame anyone and anything that we want for hunger, but the credit and blame for one's own personal action or inaction cannot rest anywhere else but that person.

I don't have to be responsible for a shooting to be responsible for watching the person bleed out, quietly, smoking my reds, waiting for them to die without assistance. For bonus points, I could babble/yell at the dying man about how he may as well have shot himself. Tell him he deserved it. Tell him he's going to burn - all of that.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#38
RE: God so hated the world
(October 10, 2020 at 11:24 pm)runewell Wrote:
(October 10, 2020 at 8:07 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Not shifting pointing out . God could solve the issue chooses not too .Whether it's his responsibility or not is irrelevant to the fact he could but chooses not to . Man isn't allowing it to happen it tries to save them but human methods are imperfect and full of issues . None of this applies to a god .  So no it is you who is simply shifting the excuses . Your god could solve it . He doesn't , And this speaks volumes .

(note all this with a caveat  that such a being even exists)

To make my job easy I'll just lift this from a site.  God doesn't need to intervene, man does.

Experts agree that there are enough food resources available in the world to feed everyone. So why are children starving? The distribution of those resources gets complicated by human failures. While all mankind should be responsible stewards of the earth and its resources, human greed, foolishness, inefficiency, bad strategy, improper infrastructure, etc., lead some people and nations to hoard and/or squander the food and money resources they have. We cannot blame God for the problems that we as humans cause by our fallen natures.

You lifted that from a larger context, from  https://www.compellingtruth.org/starving-children.html

Which, unsurprisingly, has this little gem from that same prozelytilization article:

Quote:God prompts Christians to help relieve the problem of hunger in this world, as is evidenced by the significant number of faith-based hunger relief organizations. Christian missionaries also do much work related to hunger relief (Ephesians 2:10). As Christians, we should do what we can to support organizations that work to remove corruption and bring relief to poverty.

So, when are you leaving with the next Evangelical mission in spreading the Good Word with Bibles and sandwiches?
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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#39
RE: God so hated the world
When is god, for that matter?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#40
RE: God so hated the world
It has all the appearances of non-existence. Invisible. Undetectable. Massless. Formless. Without substance. Unlimited. etc.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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