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RE: Life After Death Is Impossible, Says Scientist
February 22, 2021 at 10:37 pm
(February 22, 2021 at 10:22 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Billions and trillions of snails shells are in existence, are we far more likely to live in a snail shell on account of that, and when do we get to see the math?
It's probably very rare for a base reality universe to be finely tuned for life like ours, but simulations would be way more likely to be finely tuned for life because the programmer would likely want things to be interesting, and life is interesting.
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RE: Life After Death Is Impossible, Says Scientist
February 22, 2021 at 10:40 pm
That's a lot of what-iffing requiring entirely too much faith for the sake of reason.
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RE: Life After Death Is Impossible, Says Scientist
February 22, 2021 at 10:42 pm
(February 22, 2021 at 10:37 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: (February 22, 2021 at 10:22 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Billions and trillions of snails shells are in existence, are we far more likely to live in a snail shell on account of that, and when do we get to see the math?
It's probably very rare for a base reality universe to be finely tuned for life like ours, but simulations would be way more likely to be finely tuned for life because the programmer would likely want things to be interesting, and life is interesting.
Might be super duper ultra rare, seeing as how we don't know of any universes finely tuned for life like ours - including ours.
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RE: Life After Death Is Impossible, Says Scientist
February 22, 2021 at 10:43 pm
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Quote:It's probably very rare for a base reality universe to be finely tuned for life like ours,
How many universes have you seen?
Quote:but simulations would be way more likely to be finely tuned for life because the programmer would likely want things to be interesting, and life is interesting.
Interesting according to whom?
(February 22, 2021 at 10:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (February 22, 2021 at 10:37 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: It's probably very rare for a base reality universe to be finely tuned for life like ours, but simulations would be way more likely to be finely tuned for life because the programmer would likely want things to be interesting, and life is interesting.
Might be super duper ultra rare, seeing as how we don't know of any universes finely tuned for life like ours - including ours. Or any other universes in general
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RE: Life After Death Is Impossible, Says Scientist
February 22, 2021 at 10:47 pm
(February 22, 2021 at 10:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (February 22, 2021 at 10:37 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: It's probably very rare for a base reality universe to be finely tuned for life like ours, but simulations would be way more likely to be finely tuned for life because the programmer would likely want things to be interesting, and life is interesting.
Might be super duper ultra rare, seeing as how we don't know of any universes finely tuned for life like ours - including ours.
Life like ours exists, therefore our universe is finely tuned for that life. What am I missing here? I'm not saying it was tuned by someone necessarily.
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RE: Life After Death Is Impossible, Says Scientist
February 22, 2021 at 10:54 pm
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Another non sequitur, and it doesn't help that you got the relationship between the universe and life like us and tuning completely backwards. It's not an issue of who or what, our universe isn't tuned for life like us, at all. We're finely tuned for our universe..and with respect to sims, we imagine something much the same would be true. The computational power available to the system running the sim would put constraints on the types of simulated life possible within it.
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RE: Life After Death Is Impossible, Says Scientist
February 22, 2021 at 10:55 pm
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(February 22, 2021 at 10:43 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Quote:It's probably very rare for a base reality universe to be finely tuned for life like ours,
How many universes have you seen?
Quote:but simulations would be way more likely to be finely tuned for life because the programmer would likely want things to be interesting, and life is interesting.
Interesting according to whom?
(February 22, 2021 at 10:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Might be super duper ultra rare, seeing as how we don't know of any universes finely tuned for life like ours - including ours. Or any other universes in general
If our constants were just slightly different, life as we know it would not be able to exist. It logically follows that it's probably very rare for universes to exist with the possibility of life as we know it because they aren't finely tuned for that. Ours just happens to be one of the ones finely tuned for that. It could have been tuned a hell of a lot of different ways, but it has to be a very certain way for life to come to be.
According to whom would a simulation with life be more exciting and interesting than one without? Are you serious? Yeah, I'm sure most would rather just create a bland universe to study and observe, rather than one with life and civilization.
(February 22, 2021 at 10:54 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Another non sequitur, and it doesn't help that you got the relationship between the universe and life like us and tuning completely backwards. It's not an issue of who or what, our universe isn't tuned for life like us, at all. Were finely tuned for our universe..and with respect to sims, we imagine something much the same would be true. The computational power available to the system running the sim would put constraints on the types of simulated life possible within it - not the other way around.
Then how did we come to be? We came to be because our universe is the type of universe with the potential of creating us. The tuning made that so.
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RE: Life After Death Is Impossible, Says Scientist
February 22, 2021 at 11:00 pm
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When a mommy loves a daddy very much......
At any rate, you couldn't find a way to be more wrong about this. You're using demonstrably unsound propositions in a formal fallacy. That doesn't harm sim theory, since sim theory doesn't depend on categorically unsound propositions or fallacious implications. The reason that sim theory is taken credibly by those who do so boils down to observed (or asserted) similarities between sims and our reality. It's not about the interests of a hypothetical programmer or the non existent fine tuning of our universe to life like ours and I know you haven't done any math to calculate probabilities. That..is full on loon shit.
(February 22, 2021 at 10:43 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Quote:but simulations would be way more likely to be finely tuned for life because the programmer would likely want things to be interesting, and life is interesting.
Interesting according to whom?
The race of sentient mushrooms in base reality just love simulated monkey pron, I guess. Why would they ever simulate anything else!
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RE: Life After Death Is Impossible, Says Scientist
February 22, 2021 at 11:10 pm
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Quote:If our constants were just slightly different, life as we know it would not be able to exist.
We don't know that
Quote:It logically follows that it's probably very rare for universes to exist with the possibility of life as we know it because they aren't finely tuned for that. Ours just happens to be one of the ones finely tuned for that. It could have been tuned a hell of a lot of different ways, but it has to be a very certain way for life to come to be.
None of this follows and none of it is demonstrated
Quote:According to whom would a simulation with life be more exciting and interesting than one without?
Are you serious? Yeah, I'm sure most would rather just create a bland universe to study and observe, rather than one with life and civilization.
So no real answer just "of course it's true "
(February 22, 2021 at 11:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: When a mommy loves a daddy very much......
At any rate, you couldn't find a way to be more wrong about this. You're using demonstrably unsound propositions in a formal fallacy. That doesn't harm sim theory, since sim theory doesn't depend on categorically unsound propositions or fallacious implications. The reason that sim theory is taken credibly by those who do so boils down to observed (or asserted) similarities between sims and our reality. It's not about the interests of a hypothetical programmer or the non existent fine tuning of our universe to life like ours. That..is full on loon shit.
(February 22, 2021 at 10:43 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Interesting according to whom?
The race of sentient mushrooms in base reality just love simulated monkey pron, I guess. Why would they ever simulate anything else! A race of rock creatures from another universe with completely separate laws totally aliens to our own. Look at all organic life and civilization and say "I wish we could wipe out all these disgusting squishy things and just leave all the pretty rocks and dust"
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RE: Life After Death Is Impossible, Says Scientist
February 22, 2021 at 11:17 pm
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If a person doubts that any programmer would create a barren sim with little if any life and even less civilization.....I've got a universe to show you that looks exactly like that from here.
This belief would be an argument against our reality being a sim. It would be much more interesting if every rock in this solar system, just for starters, were chock full of natives and skyscrapers. Nw, we know why they aren't, but those constraints are the constraints of a real life, not a simulated life. Does the owner need a new pc? Did it run out of cycles with just the meager amount of life and civilization on the one rock?
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