Arguments against Deism and for religion.

[Mystic]

Suppose God exists, and we know he does. Is then there arguments for religion?

I don't believe in any of these arguments but I'll put them across and see how people can argue against them. I have arguments against each of them, but those arguments are similar to arguments against the problem of suffering, they may convince some people but will not convince others. So they make for strong arguments against deism, just as the problem of suffering is a strong argument against God in general, even though there is counter arguments and theodicy. These arguments are not conclusive but are plausible arguments against Deism.


Argument from caring:

If God exists, he would care about humans.
If he cares about humans, he would send them guidance.
God exists and cares about humans.
Therefore he has sent them guidance.

I also watched a Muslim scholar (Bilal Philips) and he talked about need of Creator organizing just like a Boss organizes his employees and doesn't leave them without organization. So I made an argument on that.


Argument from organization:

Society needs organization.
The best organization would come from God.
God exists and wishes the best organization for society.
Therefore he has provided the best organization for society.
Therefore there exists a religion with the best organization for society.

The true religion on this basis would be that provides the best organization for society.

Argument from morality:

Humans differ about moral issues, and can go wrong on many issues.
God would wants us to have way to be right on most moral issues.
The best way to insure we have a way to be right on most moral issues is to provide guidance.
God would provide guidance to insure we have a way to be right on most moral issues.
God exists and therefore has sent guidance on most moral issues.

Argument from want of communication.

God has created humans with a desire to want to hear from the Creator.
Human desiring to hear from the Creator has a purpose just like other human desires.
The only possible purpose for that desire is so that they find communication from the Creator.
God exists and therefore has communicated to humans.
There exists a communication to humans.

[The Grand Nudger]

Argument from caring: Or maybe he wouldn't, doesn't, and hasn't respectively.

Argument from organization: There is no such religion.

Argument from morality: Maybe god doesn't give a shit if we get moral issues right or wrong? Where does gods moral authority come from in the first place?

Argument from want of communication: I have no such desire and no god has made any attempt at communication whatsoever.

[Faith No More]

If god exists, he would care about humans? Says who?

[Cyberman]

Can I just say at this point that this is rather an odd choice of topic for a person claiming to be a deist?

[Mystic]

Can I just say at this point that this is rather an odd choice of topic for a person claiming to be a deist?

Why is it odd?

[Cyberman]

Well, unless you're attempting some kind of role-switching thought experiment, I'm wondering why a deist would want to argue a case against deism. It's sort of like a vegan setting out the case for eating meat, or a defence attorney speaking on behalf of the prosecution. Please, enlighten me.

[EDIT]: Actually, ignore me. I haven't slept for a couple of days and I obviously read your original post as something different to what you actually wrote. Sorry about that. It's a good sign that I should log out of here for a good many hours.

[Mystic]

Well, unless you're attempting some kind of role-switching thought experiment, I'm wondering why a deist would want to argue a case against deism. It's sort of like a vegan setting out the case for eating meat, or a defence attorney speaking on behalf of the prosecution. Please, enlighten me.

Well I think an evolutionist should try find arguments against evolution, a creationist should try to find arguments against creationism, a theist should try to find arguments against God, and a Deist should try to find arguments against Deism. If you shut your view to all opposing evidence and don't learn to argue against your case, you are giving in to confirmation bias. If you do that, every time you hear a debate, the side you want to be true will always seem to have a stronger case, even if it doesn't. You will often shut off rational arguments, and just belief your view is most rational and that views against it are irrational.

[Cyberman]

I would agree for the most part, however please see my previous post in which I took back my unwarranted remarks and which I re-edited so as not to mess up your reply.

[Erinome]

evolutionists DO try to find arguments against evolution. Science is not trying to prove your hypothesis true, it's trying to prove it wrong. There is no evidence against evolution.

[Mystic]

evolutionists DO try to find arguments against evolution.

I didn't say they don't.