(June 23, 2021 at 10:12 pm)Fireball Wrote: This one is cute- "I didn't mean to upset you".
Pats OP on head...asks management, "How long can we keep him?"
Depends on him. So far, not a fan.
I have some questions for the posters here.
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(June 23, 2021 at 10:12 pm)Fireball Wrote: This one is cute- "I didn't mean to upset you". Depends on him. So far, not a fan.
On a sliding scale of acceptable to Drich, I'm leaning more toward the fair end of the spectrum.
(June 23, 2021 at 10:37 pm)Foxaire Wrote: On a sliding scale of acceptable to Drich, I'm leaning more toward the fair end of the spectrum. New guy is playing word games. Drich doesn't know the language...so there's that. RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 24, 2021 at 5:49 am
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(June 23, 2021 at 4:37 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(June 23, 2021 at 3:13 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: C'mon, Nudger. My guess: You have not looked nearly enough to make the assertion "no theistic world creators in our world."Sure I have, and you agreed with my summary on the subject of gods..so I'm not sure what the problem is now anymore than I knew what it was supposed to be when we began. If you want to think you KNOW there are no gods...fine with me. I am acquainted with people who think they KNOW there is at least one god...and that is fine with me also. There was no "problem" when we began. I just wanted to find the answers to some questions...and I have. Thank you for your help. (June 23, 2021 at 4:55 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:(June 23, 2021 at 4:30 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: I am convinced that in discussions about REALITY...especially in discussions about whether gods exist or not)...the words "believe" and "belief" are used as a disguise for "guess." I understand why theist do it. It makes more sense for them to say, "I 'believe' there is a god" than to say, "I guess there is a god." I live my life without a care about divine punishment, divine commands and divine intervention. I do not "believe" any gods exist...just as I do not "believe" there are no gods. AND I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. (June 23, 2021 at 9:30 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(June 23, 2021 at 3:54 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: I am NOT an atheist. I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. I understand some atheists want all agnostics to be considered atheists also, probably to increase the intelligence of the atheistic gene pool, but you will have to do without me. I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. If you say you are an atheist...I accept that you are an atheist. Have the courtesy to accept that I am not an atheist. (June 23, 2021 at 10:39 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:(June 23, 2021 at 10:37 pm)Foxaire Wrote: On a sliding scale of acceptable to Drich, I'm leaning more toward the fair end of the spectrum. I am not playing word games. I AM saying that I do not know if gods exist or not. I know of many theists who are certain they KNOW that at least one god exists...or KNOW that it is more likely that at least one god exists than that no gods exist. I know of many atheists who are certain they KNOW that no gods exist...or KNOW that it is more likely that no gods exist than that at least one does. I think they are all full of soup. I have never seen any theist who thinks that way...or atheist who thinks that way...come up with any logic or science that rationalizes those guesses. Theists don't particularly like it when you show them the fault in their "logic." Atheists seem to loathe it when you show them the fault in theirs. I'm hoping we can all discuss this reasonably...but as you have noted, you are not a fan...and you always have "OUT YOU GO" at your disposal if the heat gets too intense. (June 24, 2021 at 5:49 am)Frank Apisa Wrote: I live my life without a care about divine punishment, divine commands and divine intervention. That is all it takes to qualify for the atheist descriptor. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/diction...sh/atheist "" atheist noun [ C ] religion uk /ˈeɪ.θi.ɪst/ us /ˈeɪ.θi.ɪst/ someone who does not believe in any God or gods not believing in any God or gods, or relating to such beliefs American Dictionary: someone who believes that God does not exist "" All these descriptions of "atheist" are valid and all you need is to fit in one of them for it to apply to you. (June 24, 2021 at 5:49 am)Frank Apisa Wrote: AND I AM NOT AN ATHEIST.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken. (June 24, 2021 at 6:43 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: @Frank Apisa False Dilemma.
Yellow.
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" (June 24, 2021 at 5:49 am)Frank Apisa Wrote: If you want to think you KNOW there are no gods...fine with me. I am acquainted with people who think they KNOW there is at least one god...and that is fine with me also.No problem man. Quote:I live my life without a care about divine punishment, divine commands and divine intervention.You are, an agnostic atheist, as you describe yourself. Quote:I AM NOT AN ATHEIST.Not really a courtesy thing, you describe yourself as an agnostic atheist. Quote:I am not playing word games. I AM saying that I do not know if gods exist or not.Yeah, that's what most atheists say. Quote:I know of many theists who are certain they KNOW that at least one god exists...or KNOW that it is more likely that at least one god exists than that no gods exist.Now you're just fibbing, I know you've seen it at least once. Quote:Theists don't particularly like it when you show them the fault in their "logic."That's an interesting proposition, is it just a guess or an opinion or what have you?
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(June 24, 2021 at 5:49 am)Frank Apisa Wrote: I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. CAPS don't make you right, they just make you loud. Try bold for emphasis if you need it. The strict definitions for theist and atheist don't leave any room for anything else. If you believe then you're a theist, if not then you're an atheist. The Law of the Excluded Middle removes all other possibilities. That said, strict definitions rarely work well in a fluid and ever changing society. Many people use nonbeliever instead. I prefer something with a little more class like heathen, infidel, or heretic. Agnostic is pretty muddled as it tries to insert what we do and don't know into what we believe or don't believe. Two very different beasties. At any rate it doesn't suit you. What you are is Holier Than Thou. You like to think that you're better than theists because they can't prove that god exists. And you like to think that you're better than atheists because we can't prove that god doesn't exist. All the while you're tilting at strawmen on both sides and completely failing at the whole Righteous Rationalist schtick. Meanwhile the rest of us are getting a chuckle out of the fact that we can't disprove your god because you've failed to adequately define it. |
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